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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:17 am

what we need to do

1. impeach Obama
2. elect a non- socialistic person
3. close all military bases all over the world--- bring the troops home
4. stop sticking our nose into other countries problems---spending trillions for no reason
4. enforce our borders
5. flat tax/ national consumption tax
6. start chopping the gov't down at the knees---- get it back to where it should be
7. give the healthcare bill to obama as he is escorted out


amazingly the economy would improve overnight

or
we can just keep doing what we are doing spending/printing gobs of money that no one has, and continue to become a socialistic nation
Bend over and assume the position for another 4 years of hope and change.

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Postby Patch » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:59 am

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I am not sure with the current leadership and make up of the House, that O could be impeached. If it happened, I don't think number 2, that the Senate would convict. What would O be charged with? Being a Big Chicago liar? Stripping our national defense? Being a poor leader? If O were to go, Bidden would be next in line, then Nancy P, then Harry R. I don't think impeachment and conviction is the answer anyway since O got almost 53 percent of the popular vote and most important won in the electoral college. The senate and house are letting him run wild with the Czars non appointments. These are the folks who should be recalled by each state.

es/pip, what do we do with the non press we now have in the US, a bunch of radical lap pups? Can we put them all in time out for failing the critical job of a free and independent press, critical for the effective survival of democracy?

I fully agree with #4b, 5, 6, 7 and 8-term limits for senate and house immediately.

I hope I see you on the Mall Saturday, September 12.

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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:09 am

Patch wrote:es/pip

I am not sure with the current leadership and make up of the House, that O could be impeached. If it happened, I don't think number 2, that the Senate would convict. What would O be charged with? Being a Big Chicago liar? Stripping our national defense? Being a poor leader? If O were to go, Bidden would be next in line, then Nancy P, then Harry R. I don't think impeachment and conviction is the answer anyway since O got almost 53 percent of the popular vote and most important won in the electoral college. The senate and house are letting him run wild with the Czars non appointments. These are the folks who should be recalled by each state.

es/pip, what do we do with the non press we now have in the US, a bunch of radical lap pups? Can we put them all in time out for failing the critical job of a free and independent press, critical for the effective survival of democracy?

I fully agree with #4b, 5, 6, 7 and 8-term limits for senate and house immediately.

I hope I see you on the Mall Saturday, September 12.

Patch
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maybe impeach was the wrong term to use

instead--- just grab him by the neck and throw the whole bunch out---- via revolution or whatever


it is beyond crazy at this point

if the founding fathers could see this they would be rolling over in their graves

what declaration of independence


its nuts
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Postby tking » Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:50 am

Patch & es/pip,

I am complete agreement with your list of 4 through 8 also except I would add that none of them should get a lifetime pension, and, they should have the same health plan the rest of us have.

Items 1 and 2 would be ok, and especially if Pelosi and the other top ranking Dims get strung up for signing off and knowingly approving of the Certifications of Nomination (even the version that didn't reference constitutional qualification). Never know, news today that Judge Carter granted the plaintiffs "expedited discovery? in the Obama Eligibility Case might start to shed some light on who Obama is or has represented himself to be in the past. If the story gets real interesting maybe the bulk of the media will start reporting on it.

Item 3 would be nice in some ways, but not in today's world and with as much unfinished business as we now have around the world. If Obama and his group stay in power we will likely see our military being drastically weakened by all the funding cuts and political decisions that make pawns out of our troops. ---But Obama did say that the health billsssss won't cost anything because of all the savings from changes to our existing system. And people actually believe that. Amazing.

Nice to see so many people here with similar feelings.

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Postby tking » Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:52 am

Patch & es/pip,

I also agree with your list of 4 through 8 except I would add that none of them should get a lifetime pension, and, they should have the same health plan the rest of us have.

Items 1 and 2 would be ok, and especially if Pelosi and the other top ranking Dims get strung up for signing off and knowingly approving of the Certifications of Nomination (even the version that didn't reference constitutional qualification). Never know, news today that Judge Carter granted the plaintiffs "expedited discovery? in the Obama Eligibility Case might start to shed some light on who Obama is or has represented himself to be in the past. If the story gets real interesting maybe the bulk of the media will start reporting on it.

Item 3 would be nice in some ways, but not in today's world and with as much unfinished business as we now have around the world. If Obama and his group stay in power we will likely see our military being drastically weakened by all the funding cuts and political decisions that make pawns out of our troops. ---But Obama did say that the health billsssss won't cost anything because of all the savings from changes to our existing system. And people actually believe that. Amazing.

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Postby Patch » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:27 am

tking

Welcome to Kreslik. What threads are you reading/studying?

I will PM you this morning. Don't hold your breath waiting for the major Obama/Government news networks to report anything contrary to their radical views. ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN et.al reported nill to nothing about Van Jones. It is so interesting that Glenn Beck and others that reported on Van Jones background were accused of smearing him when all they did was broadcast video and audio of Van Jone's own words straight out of his own mouth.

The real ignored question is how this radical, and I believe, American hating man got the job he had as a special adviser to the president of the United States in the first place. And the state run media remains deathly silent.

The real questions are: how many czars are there, how much are they paid, what is their background, and who checked their backgrounds and who approved their appointment. --Patch, Brewing TEA for Saturday


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Postby PTG » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:32 pm

Patch wrote:..so the day I will never forget began.


I suppose most people still know what they were doing at that time. I had just taken my daughter home from school.

Fast forward to 090911 (or 091109 if you wish): governments all over are taking away freedom that morally never belonged to them anyway. Wars have been started, millions of innocent have been killed. All in the name of prevention of "terrism" as the goon from Texas, the Decider guy, called it. Puppet governments all over, including those f ah's in Holland where I apparently have to pay taxes, are all too happy to oblige and be part of this Spreading the Democracy thing, whilst they happily screw up everything else including the economy. Obamanable is not much else than Bush-III in that perspective. Just like any politician he acts like a snake: with a split tongue.

If you think the US is bad, rest assured it's not much better in Europe. I can't tell you how disgusted I am.

Many of my international friends feel exactly the same. For now, everybody grind their teeth and hold their breath.

BUT: there WILL be a day of reckoning. Statues WILL be torn down and I will be laughing very hard, unfortunately.
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Postby PTG » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:39 pm

O by the way, I know of only a few exceptions to the Snake-rule. One of them is Ron Paul. Another one is Vaclav Klaus (Czech republic). Needless to say he isn't very popular with the fascists that ru(i)n Europe.
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It's a Czar World After All

Postby PTG » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:53 pm

As of June 5th there were 21 czars.

Read this or google for it:
http://open.salon.com/blog/djohn/2009/0 ... amas_czars

Here's a partial list of these unelected officials from the executive branch:

Energy czar Carol Browner

Urban czar Adolfo Carrion, Jr.

Infotech czar Vivek Kundra

Faith-based czar Joshua DuBois

Health reform czar Nancy-Ann DeParle

New TARP czar Herb Allison

Stimulus accountability czar Earl Devaney

Non-proliferation czar Gary Samore

Terrorism (I thought they didn't use that word) czar John Brennan

Regulatory czar Cass Sunstein

Drug czar Gil Kerlikowske

Guantanamo closure czar Daniel Fried.
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Postby PTG » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:56 pm

Diversity Czar, anyone ?

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