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are you for real?

Postby mozdukemod » Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:27 am

Were you guys so concerned when president bush was shredding the constitution? nsa? homeland security? i see the word "socialism" cried out everyday since january 20, 2009 by people who never once uttered the word "fascism" the previous 8 years. interesting...

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Postby Patch » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:33 pm

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obama makes Bush look like a 3 year old and Clinton like an Sunday pre-school teacher. Talking about shredding the constitution, this community organizer is a Chicago gangster, breaking the law and screwing the secure bond holders and giving the unions money they had no rightful claim to. Giving his favorite voter registration cheaters, acorn, a fortune of over 8 BILLION of tax payers money. mozdukemod, Bush's last term was a great disappointment to me, none the less I will take Bush every day, and you can have obama, whatever he is.

You call securing the homeland fascism, I call it a great defense with no strikes on the homeland in 8 years. My biggest complaint about obama is that he was never asked, and chose to never disclose to the public the truth of what his plans were and what he really stands for. Socialism/Marxism is not the changes anyone, other than the far left radicals who are now are in full control of the democratic party, wanted or voted for. Make no mistake, this man is a radical and had he spoke the truth of his plans for American, as represented by the 30 to 40 czars he has appointed so far, the election results would have been far different, and McCain is a fine man, and far from my first choice, and on his worst day, a much better leader than obama ever will be.

Personally, I take the honest man every time.

As for me, I am going water boarding this afternoon. Please join me. You'll like it !!!

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Re: are you for real?

Postby es/pip » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:20 pm

mozdukemod wrote:Were you guys so concerned when president bush was shredding the constitution? nsa? homeland security? i see the word "socialism" cried out everyday since january 20, 2009 by people who never once uttered the word "fascism" the previous 8 years. interesting...


what is "interesting" is the fact that any American would actually make 1 supporting comment about Obama


he is killing this country

bush i would take any given day over Obama

i will be out of here and in Monaco before he has a chance to turn me into one of his socialistic followers. Good luck if you decide to stay.
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Postby Patch » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:38 pm

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I never thought I would ever consider leaving the USofA, and yet I must admit such thoughts have crossed my mind. It will just take one dirty nuke to ruin a lot of lives. There are some events that we just can't afford to allow to happen even once. --Patch
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Re: are you for real?

Postby PTG » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:53 pm

es/pip wrote:
mozdukemod wrote:Were you guys so concerned when president bush was shredding the constitution? nsa? homeland security? i see the word "socialism" cried out everyday since january 20, 2009 by people who never once uttered the word "fascism" the previous 8 years. interesting...


what is "interesting" is the fact that any American would actually make 1 supporting comment about Obama


he is killing this country

bush i would take any given day over Obama

i will be out of here and in Monaco before he has a chance to turn me into one of his socialistic followers. Good luck if you decide to stay.


Monaco is heavily influenced by France. I wouldn't go there if I were you.

I would want to be part of a society with NO government ANY day. BUT guess what, gunverment won't LET me ! Slavery has NOT ended, despite what the textbooks state.

I NEVER strive for sub-optimal solutions, only for the BEST. THAT's also why I am HERE on kreslik and not elsewhere. I would NEVER endorse a thug like Mr. Bush Jr. because he supposedly is less evil than Mr. Obama.

ALL politicians are CROOKS with VERY few exceptions, like Ron Paul, who also has REPEATEDLY warned against meddling in other countries' affairs. What was that again ? O yes, BLOW BACK. Blow back also for any US citizen who can be criminalized under the Patriot-act.

I mean it's nice that nothing has happened for 8 years, apart from MILLIONS of casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus more deaths of US soldiers than from the 9/11 attacks. Unconstitutional wars and unconstitutional laws that are supposed to bring "safety".

What was that again ??

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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Postby PTG » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:01 am

Patch wrote:It will just take one dirty nuke to ruin a lot of lives.


Or a bus that runs me over. What are the odds. ANYTHING can happen.

ONE THING I DO know: if I stick my finger in a wasp's nest. I get hurt. Lesson: DON'T.

Politicians NEVER learn. NEITHER do people who endorse THEM and THEIR ACTIONS.

There are some events that we just can't afford to allow to happen even once. --Patch


Like politicians and central bankers screwing up EVERYTHING as they do RIGHT NOW AND UNDER OUR NOSES.

It's NOT about dirty nukes.

It's NOT about Antrax.

It's about FASCISM.
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Re: are you for real?

Postby es/pip » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:56 am

PTG wrote:
es/pip wrote:
mozdukemod wrote:Were you guys so concerned when president bush was shredding the constitution? nsa? homeland security? i see the word "socialism" cried out everyday since january 20, 2009 by people who never once uttered the word "fascism" the previous 8 years. interesting...


what is "interesting" is the fact that any American would actually make 1 supporting comment about Obama


he is killing this country

bush i would take any given day over Obama

i will be out of here and in Monaco before he has a chance to turn me into one of his socialistic followers. Good luck if you decide to stay.


Monaco is heavily influenced by France. I wouldn't go there if I were you.

I would want to be part of a society with NO government ANY day. BUT guess what, gunverment won't LET me ! Slavery has NOT ended, despite what the textbooks state.

I NEVER strive for sub-optimal solutions, only for the BEST. THAT's also why I am HERE on kreslik and not elsewhere. I would NEVER endorse a thug like Mr. Bush Jr. because he supposedly is less evil than Mr. Obama.

ALL politicians are CROOKS with VERY few exceptions, like Ron Paul, who also has REPEATEDLY warned against meddling in other countries' affairs. What was that again ? O yes, BLOW BACK. Blow back also for any US citizen who can be criminalized under the Patriot-act.

I mean it's nice that nothing has happened for 8 years, apart from MILLIONS of casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus more deaths of US soldiers than from the 9/11 attacks. Unconstitutional wars and unconstitutional laws that are supposed to bring "safety".

What was that again ??

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Think, my friends. THINK.


i never said bush was a saint, just that i would take him over Obama any day--- and i would in a heartbeat

monaco-----lol i was referencing 0% income tax---

not sure where, if i go, where it will be. I am looking into several places though. Everyone has different opinions and thoughts on that, i am considering it, but have not made a decision on it yet.

And i never said that Obama caused what is happening here in it's entirety. The down slide started many many years ago. ( I do not agree with where this country is headed and if i decide to leave i will leave.) I just do not like him at all---period---period--period, nothing about him, not even 1 thing. I do not agree with anything at all he has said ever. He is a hack if you ask me.


lol

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Postby tking » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:03 am

It is one thing to go to war for good reasons, but it is a terrible travesty to do it as a result of political and business decisions. I am a conservative and yet I am not convinced that we do not know the truth about many of the decisions to use our military - even all the way back to Korea. If it was always the best decision without the influence of big business and politics, ok. We may never know the full truth. I do know that the truth does not include that there were millions of casualties in Iraq, that is a number that cannot be supported - unless you include the number of people wasted by Saddam as well as Iran, and don't forget the freedom fighters that like to kill hundreds of women and children in the name of their religion of peace.

I think what this country needs more than anything now is term limits on elected officials (senators and congressmen). These people get elected and start living in their own little kingdoms and forget about the reason they were sent there. Look at the voting record of any new person in that bunch, they don't vote based upon what is right, they vote the party line - mostly, and then nothing changes. Set term limits and limit their benefits and many of our problems will go away.

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Postby Patch » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:24 am

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Over the last few weeks I've come to the same conclusions, term limits are a must, and the life long benefits are another rape of all tax payers. Sever cut back in pay.

es/pip

I figure that if we go over the cliff and past the point of no return, Texas will succeed and I will move immediately to Texas.

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Postby es/pip » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:36 am

Bend over and assume the position for another 4 years of hope and change.

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