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Postby Patch » Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:53 pm

jacal1

Thanks for your post.

I am in a conflict and a pickle right now.

I know that for the last 10 years we, the USA, have been not been seeking US interests first and foremost. As I recall, America was struck on September 11, 2001 and over 3000 men, women and children who went to work and daycare, never came home that day. Now my president doesn't even acknowledge there is a war on terror; just some kind of action. Our US president today is a mobster and pathetic - a serial liar who I believe hates this country and wants to destroy it.

We definitely have the government, now, at this moment that we deserve.

When American ceases to be good, She ceases to be great.

Again, Thank You for your kind words to me on this day,

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Postby PTG » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:06 pm

I would like to stress that it is individual people that make up groups and ultimately countries.

There are people who are morally right and morally wrong.

You will find an unexceptional percentage of morally wrong people in government at various levels. Supposing otherwise contradicts facts which I personally find to be rather childish.

This is universal for ALL governments, irrespective of the country, the time and their political "color".

Government is without competition; you might be able to imagine what eldorado this is for the morally disabled amongst us.

Ultimately, it should be individual freedom and -consequently- intrinsic, self evident private property rights that form the foundation of a moral society.

Sadly this is not the case, since the morally wrong are leading the pack, or should I say sheeple, usually off the cliff.

This, my friends, is an elephant in the room that most people are unaware of for whatever reason.

I wish that people would wake up and start to actually THINK about the implications of our so-called "civilised" society with its man-made rules and laws, in the case of the US usually against the Constitution and therefore against the individuals that make up the US as a country (or any country for that matter).

I wish that people actually start to SEE that it is of no use to meddle in other countries' affairs and that this is only to serve the military-industrial complex.

I wish that people actually start to SEE that fiat-money and central banking are the core of the issue at hand.

I have presented many links to websites that might start one to actually SEE what is going on.

Note that you CANNOT with good conscience say in the future that you had no idea, because I told you so.
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Postby jacal1 » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:01 am

PTG I like it no opinion no conspiracy just plain truth.

Ill stop here dont want to ruin the moment!!
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Postby bredin » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:51 am

jacal1 wrote:
bredin wrote:jacal, you're playing the game!

If you want to understand the situation you must stop thinking in terms of 'countries' or 'reserves' or 'resources'. These are all mere pieces in the elite game of domination, that has one aim only, and referring to the interaction of the pieces without reference to the elite goal is meaningless.

The piece by piece destruction of the once great American nation is one of the goals, so stating that certain things need fixing in US relations is irrelevant since changing that will not further that particular elite goal.
I had a very long torrid and very biased rebuttal to your reply but i will keep opinions to myself and will try to pick apart what you have said.

First you make reference to a game which has no countries and no resources but then you refer to "the once great American nation".

"elite goal is meaningless" which goal for the world wanting to destroy the western way of life or the western powers insatiable need to use democracy as a stepping stone to grab what they can before they are caught.

"fixing in US relations is irrelevant since changing that will not further that particular elite goal" part here serves both my statements above but if the American Institution is above reproach that it cannot consider itself as an entity which can reach out and mend relationships with other peoples then yes I guesse it is the end of America.

But i have never enjoyed the company of arrogant people i dont destroy them I just Ignore them!!!


The game I was referring to is the one where the goal is to have people looking at the pieces (eg US foreign relations) and not the prize just as an illusionist gets the audience looking at the left hand while the right does the 'trick'. Their goal in this respect is to get us to ignore the elephant in the corner.

The main elite goal appears to be the total enslavement of mankind, and to achieve this the USA, which was once the greatest place of freedom on earth with its magnificent constitution and bill of rights; a beacon to freedom lovers everywhere, must be destroyed.

The "American Institution" is no more above reproach than a spanner- Its just another tool, another piece on the board.

We, the people, can defeat the elite only by our refusal to play their game, by doing exactly what they dont want us to do. And they dont want us to be free; that is why I love trading- it allows me to not play the enslavement game of the 9-5ers, and live on my terms.

To Patch; Im sorry that your long held beliefs and ideals of your nation are no longer valid, but now you can move forward in a positive manner.

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Postby jacal1 » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:14 am

bredin ty for the clarification

yes it is great to be free of the shackle, 9-5 slave poor souls believe toiling day by day is their key to success and retirement oh how they are wrong

ty again for clarification, see this is why i think kreslik is so cool everyone has a point of view yet able to express it without expletives so cool !!
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Postby Patch » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:00 pm

A great website site is by a man from Philadelphia, who commutes to Northern Virginia to teach economics at George Mason University and his most recent book is: Liberty Versus the Tyranny of Socialism, (Stanford: Hoover Institution Press, 2008). Website: www.walterewilliams.com . He is quite an interesting man who speaks plainly so I can understand what he says about the State and Freedom and socialism.

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Postby forrestang » Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:42 pm

Patch wrote:A great website site is by a man from Philadelphia, who commutes to Northern Virginia to teach economics at George Mason University and his most recent book is: Liberty Versus the Tyranny of Socialism, (Stanford: Hoover Institution Press, 2008). Website: www.walterewilliams.com . He is quite an interesting man who speaks plainly so I can understand what he says about the State and Freedom and socialism.

Have a great Labor Day Weekend, --Patch, In VA


Walter Williams is brilliant. Every once in a while he stands in for one of the popular radio talk show hosts..... And jeez he lays it out.

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Postby Patch » Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:12 am

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Welcome to Kreslik, I hope you find what you are looking for and able to improve your trading profitability in a short amount of time.

Professor Williams is a plain speaker and out spoken and knows what he talks and writes about. I called his office this afternoon and left a message wanting to find out what classes he is teaching and if I could audit one of then this fall. He is a national treasure of our country and the world. --Patch
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Postby PTG » Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:23 am

Patch wrote:A great website site is by a man from Philadelphia, who commutes to Northern Virginia to teach economics at George Mason University and his most recent book is: Liberty Versus the Tyranny of Socialism, (Stanford: Hoover Institution Press, 2008). Website: www.walterewilliams.com . He is quite an interesting man who speaks plainly so I can understand what he says about the State and Freedom and socialism.

Have a great Labor Day Weekend, --Patch, In VA


Here is more to read from Williams on my favorite website: http://www.lewrockwell.com/williams-w/w ... -arch.html

Go one level up on there and find more writers like him here:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/columnists.html
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Postby Patch » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:00 am

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After hearing several videos of Van Jones, Zsar of something, I started to wonder what the heck is going on across the river at the White House. I called my two senator's offices and was told the identical thing by staffers to my questions. Is it true Jones is an "avoud communist", spoke about white's pollution in black neighborhoods, you don't see black kids committing Columbine mass murder, and George Bush was complicit with the September 11, 2001 attacks, that we are on the eight year eve of this evening? Both staffers said the exact same things, neither knew anything about any of this, neither knew what his vetting was, neither knew how much he is paid. AND both said call the White House at 202-456-1111. I was on hold over 45 minutes. Then I called my congressman, Connolly's office. Same line of crap. I asked how much was Van Jones paid? I don't know, call the white house. How many Zcars are there? I don't know, call the white house. How much are each of the Zcars paid? same. How many Zcars can be appointed? "An unlimited Number". The US government is out of control. --Patch, AKA Jeff, In VA
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