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Postby Patch » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:47 pm

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The one thing I've concluded after seeing the events of the last 2.5 years, is I've reversed a life long position I held to. I've always said that every 2 or 4 or 6 years we have elections and elections are the best form of term limits... Now I have done a 180 and say democracy is awash with interest money every where and I even wonder if term limits will make any difference. --Patch
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Postby PTG » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:06 pm

Patch wrote:PTG

The one thing I've concluded after seeing the events of the last 2.5 years, is I've reversed a life long position I held to. I've always said that every 2 or 4 or 6 years we have elections and elections are the best form of term limits... Now I have done a 180 and say democracy is awash with interest money every where and I even wonder if term limits will make any difference. --Patch


It won't. It's one big show, meant to fool people. "Carry on citizen, nothing to see here". Yeah, like hell there isn't.

Start with the beginning: follow the money. He who controls money controls a society.

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Another thing. Internet is making it more and more difficult for the Powers that Be because it is ever so easy to find historical information that they won't tell you in public schools. Ever wondered why the government want to get their filthy paws on Internet so that they can control it ??

Here's another pointer: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/a ... 34469.html
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Postby Patch » Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:34 am

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I am not sure what to say right now. I am sick to death, a couple nights ago I heard on Beck or Reilly that the whitehouse has had 10 billion dollars written into the health disaster bill for the UAW (united auto workers) that will refill their bankrupt health fund for their retired workers. I wonder how much the whoirtehouse has promised to aarp and ama and who knows who else, chicago mafia politics has moved into the whoirtehouse big time. And all of the Czars the president has appointed without any oversite, are all a bunch of socialists, maxists and totally outside the Constitution.

We are in deep trouble now. At a recent town hall meeting I arrived late due to several previous commitments so didn't come close to getting inside. I had a sign saying "Recall NOW". As I talked to several supporters of the whortehouse, I told the individual I support 100% the triple bankruptcy of the US. He asked what I meant. 1) the US is already bankrupt. 2) the coming hyper inflation will drive home our second bankruptcy--the party is over. 3) When China rejects the USD we will all be hearing the fat lady loudly singing-Its all over turn out the lights.

I ordered Rules For Radicals several weeks ago. Funny thing, it was one of the slowest mailed and delivered books I've every gotten from Am. The heart of Sal's thesis is create a crisis and exploit it. Sounds all to close to my home in Virginia.

PTG, See you on September 12, 2009 on the mall, I'll be drinking twig tea,

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Postby PTG » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:54 am

There you have it:

More Arizona Cops Harassing Travelers At Border Patrol Checkpoints

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Postby jacal1 » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:21 pm

This may rub alot of you the wrong way but, but I have always felt that the american economy and use of its military to enforce its will across the world is what is destroying america internally your national budget is first and foremost military based and it is so that you can protect your interest at home while alot of your resources are outside of your own country.

The enemy your young men and women are fighting are an enemy of your economy not your country, sure Democracy and Freedom are used alot to back up these so called peace missions in parts of the world but first and foremost consider why your country is in Afghanistan.

The following is only a viepoint of all the facts that I know and have seen.

Afghanistan is central to this whole situation and behind it is to control China in its economic evolution (Communism must fail) with our interest in economic and social points in the world we all know China is the largest single economy in the world wich is to double by in the next decade.
With this growth oil is going to be a major factor, look on your world map if you look the area where there is supposedly ELCAIDA in Afghanistan a thin strip of hills and mountains but look at the country it borders with?

China!!

what I heard (not official) China had been doing some developements and with Taliban government before 9/11 small but enough to gain cordial talks on an oil line from iran to china via afghanistan. china had very good relations to iran already at this time as they were already using iranian sources for their oil needs. but an oil line in a sovereign country gaining kickbacks would give china what it would need to survive and exceed the next few decades and the cost would be minimal to what exsist now.

So thats just a part of it was longer rant than I wanted but it opens a few questions I think, Plus you all know why your in Iraq, Trading young American lives for some oil resources that is a "fair shake" about now I do believe its one american soldier per day has died since american forces have been in Iraq. Sad that we need to sell blood to have an economy that is broken from the inside.

One thing I do is I pray that American Institution realize they would lessen their problems if they didnt show up with guns every time they dont get what they want, I liken it to a child who continually pokes at a dog so they can get a reaction and when they get bit they smack it again to get bit again so on and so on stop pokin it maybe it will stop.

But maybe its too late for that.

God bless us all that we make the right decisions to make this world a better place for us all!!
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Postby bredin » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:33 am

jacal, you're playing the game!

If you want to understand the situation you must stop thinking in terms of 'countries' or 'reserves' or 'resources'. These are all mere pieces in the elite game of domination, that has one aim only, and referring to the interaction of the pieces without reference to the elite goal is meaningless.

The piece by piece destruction of the once great American nation is one of the goals, so stating that certain things need fixing in US relations is irrelevant since changing that will not further that particular elite goal.
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Postby jacal1 » Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:40 am

bredin wrote:jacal, you're playing the game!

If you want to understand the situation you must stop thinking in terms of 'countries' or 'reserves' or 'resources'. These are all mere pieces in the elite game of domination, that has one aim only, and referring to the interaction of the pieces without reference to the elite goal is meaningless.

The piece by piece destruction of the once great American nation is one of the goals, so stating that certain things need fixing in US relations is irrelevant since changing that will not further that particular elite goal.
I had a very long torrid and very biased rebuttal to your reply but i will keep opinions to myself and will try to pick apart what you have said.

First you make reference to a game which has no countries and no resources but then you refer to "the once great American nation".

"elite goal is meaningless" which goal for the world wanting to destroy the western way of life or the western powers insatiable need to use democracy as a stepping stone to grab what they can before they are caught.

"fixing in US relations is irrelevant since changing that will not further that particular elite goal" part here serves both my statements above but if the American Institution is above reproach that it cannot consider itself as an entity which can reach out and mend relationships with other peoples then yes I guesse it is the end of America.

But i have never enjoyed the company of arrogant people i dont destroy them I just Ignore them!!!
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Postby Subversive » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:26 am

Wow.You can't imagine how happy I am to see there realy are others that see the destruction all around us. There are only a hand full of politicians at the federal leval that shouldn'd be arrested, tried, convicted and ung for treason. They don't read any bill that they pass, almost evrything they pass is outside of the constitutional limits placed on them and not a damn one of them care about what any of us wants only what expands thier power and fortunes. I've been studying this for many years and if anybody is interested I'll provide links the sites that will provide news and education you won't find on MSNBC or any mainstreem news.

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Postby Patch » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:46 am

America Good or America Bad

She ain't perfect by any means. Though the current administration has given me serious pause to consider... I was born here and I will be buried here by my choice. America isn't perfect, but please tell me why we spent a fortune in WWI & WW2 and what territories we have annexed in Europe or the Asian theater? How much debt from the World Wars have we received and forgiven or forgotten to collect? How many of my country men died on D-Day and Flander's Field and are buried on European soil? What happened in the War to End All Wars? What territories have we gained and maintained control over? Who paid for the US war effort? Then Korea. Then Viet Nam. Then Kuwait. Then 911. Then Iraqi. How many of our troops have shed their blood and lost their very lives on foreign soils around the world. For oil or resources? What territories has the US gained and kept control of?

I was involved in the Viet Nam peace movement. My first time in DC was the Spring of 1970, yes I am an old fart, after the Cambodian incursion and the student strike. I was a platform marshal that day. When I got to my host's home about 6pm, and we turned on the news, we heard that President Nixon agreed to meet with the organizers of the protest, and their reaction was to symbolically send twelve black caskets to the White House to meet with the President. That was the day I started stopping being a liberal, what a waste of a great opportunity.

Now we in the US have a Chicago mafia politician as president who doesn't know lies from truth and I doubt he has ever told the America people the truth about any of the changes he truly desires for America. I recently began reading Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky. Saul is another Chicago resident and mentor to the future president. The trouble is I don't trust this man and not a single word that comes out of his mouth any more. After passage of the second bail out bill the new president said how he had passed the bill without a single ear mark. The bill in fact had 9,000 B S earmarks in it amounting to billions of tax dollars. Liars lie and this man has proved himself to be a smoother liar than Clinton ever was on his best day. How do you deal with a liar?

He also said how he sought to bring the country together. Since January 20th, I've been call a racist more times than in my entire life? I can't disagree with our president's policy without my being a racist? This is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong. This is so wrong. Something is really wrong in our America right now.

This is not the change I ever dreamed of and never wanted.

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Postby jacal1 » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:32 am

I know Patch it does not seem fair when you see the sacrifice that the men and women of the old wars fought, these last two gulf wars and the afghan war is somewhat lost in dellusion of fredom and protecting America and supposedly the western way of life, sad.

My Grandfather was a lieutenant with the american forces against the Japanese I'm quite proud when I say this I have alot to be thankful for, but I really do believe that after WWII other American engagements have been to protect American ideological and economic interest and not really to serve the needs of its people.

Dont mourn for your country as it has not yet perished in the light of circumstance but look to the past for courage and determination that if a nation has achieved such feats yet failed in others we can only hope as a people you shall never forget who you are and where you have been for it is not when you fall that is important but when you rise greater than your past.

I believe and I think you do to Patch is that America is greater than what she is achieving at this moment the only ones that can really make the change is the people, you can have the best of leaders but if the people dont want change then you will be stuck!!

Or do what I do in times when I need comfort read the "Good Book" you may not be able to change the world but you can certainly change yourself.

God bless you Patch!!
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