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Postby gutek04 » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:13 pm

This time LONG.
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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:57 pm

lukx wrote:To all ZLTraders, I have question.
What would you do in this kind of situation:

The 1H when will hit previous ZL short will probably create ZL for long.
So what would you do? SHould I go with the flow from 4H tfm and take only short? Or the closest MOMO is the most important and I should wait for pullback and go with long on 1H?

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this is what i was thinking during that

after playing long off the h4 zl

the one hr up momo was into the 4hr down momo so i was still thinking short-- then when the inside chart---the 5min--- was not showing that we were going down i covered the short and then got long to play it off the 1hr momo back into the the held profit on the h1 chart

now that we have the h1 traders zl and still have momo on the h4 i am still kind of feeling short depending on how this h4 bar closes( i am not going to just get short bec we are at h4zl or h1 zl--- i want something whether it be the 5 min or 15 min to tell me to----- so i am just watching inside the h4 bar to see what happens


as i am typing this is is cont. to go up so i know where my h4 zl and h1 zl is and i am just waiting to see if something happens that makes me want to short---- right now i see nothing so i am not going to short it just bec we are at the zl for the hell of it







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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:07 pm

cfabian wrote:Lukx,
I'll be looking to long that pair at the retracement to the H1 ZL.

D1 is long, and H4 doesn't show short momo (it had a big move, but will end up as wick and body similar size as previous).

Anyone has any trade to share? espip. dragon, MO, zapzinig?????



lukx wrote:To all ZLTraders, I have question.
What would you do in this kind of situation:

The 1H when will hit previous ZL short will probably create ZL for long.
So what would you do? SHould I go with the flow from 4H tfm and take only short? Or the closest MOMO is the most important and I should wait for pullback and go with long on 1H?

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see the pound above

and this one

this is why it is not a system

you have to read what the market is telling you

this trade was against a huge h4 down momo, but if you look inside at the h1 the momo decreased into a double bottom where they 1 ticked the stops and then had an increase of h1 momo off the bottom

i didnt see anything inside that i liked so i took the trade back into the momo bars close---- which is a valid zl entry if you miss the pullback--- i dont do these a lot bec i usually want a better price, but i felt it was going up for all the reasons i said above.

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Postby lukx » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:30 pm

es/pip oh man how you manage to see all this action through all tmf?
When I'm starting to jump from tmf to tmf I'm loosing the vision.

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Postby dragon33 » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:37 pm

Hey ES/PIP we took the same trades again. Almost $8000 profit today.

It was the short sleep worth

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So obvious, still can't get it why people keep failing :cry:

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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:46 pm

dragon33 wrote:Hey ES/PIP we took the same trades again. Almost $8000 profit today.

It was the short sleep worth

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So obvious, still can't get it why people keep failing :cry:

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once they stop just taking trades at a zl bec it is a zl maybe they will see it

not sure what else to say or show

all of my charts are basically the same----just different trades

i will say this week was a little tougher to trade than other weeks in the past--- at least for me.

i really don't ever go back and count my winners vrs losers etc etc--- but i know i have had more small losers and b/e than i have in a while------- i didn't take a full stop the entire week and the roi is nothing to sneeze at either :shock:
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Postby lukx » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:54 pm

oh my now I'm totally lost short entry after momo long ?!
perfect exits based on what ?!

So you guys when starting to look for trade you got form 1D till 5M ?
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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:57 pm

lukx wrote:es/pip oh man how you manage to see all this action through all tmf?
When I'm starting to jump from tmf to tmf I'm loosing the vision.


just do this


watch just the h4 for your zl/mz

then enter off the 5-15


that eliminates all the other time frames----

then once you feel you understand then incorporate other time frames inside the h4


also

they key here is small losers and big winners target entries and exits off the higher time frames and use the smaller to pinpoint good entries
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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:08 pm

lukx wrote:oh my now I'm totally lost short entry after momo long ?!
perfect exits based on what ?!

So you guys when starting to look for trade you got form 1D till 5M ?


"short entry after momo long"

you have to look at the chart and see where it is coming into---- who is it zl'ing---- where did it come from---who ogt zl'ed before it came here---- and now where is it going based on the next held profit area---

"perfect exits based on what"

i do not understand what you are saying

"So you guys when starting to look for trade you got form 1D till 5M"

no

i look at the the higher time frames to find a zl, mz or momentum

AND THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

look inside for a reason to take the trade

i am not trading the 5 min bec the 5 min is saying something I USE IT TO LOOK INSIDE AT WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE HIGHER TIMEFRAME
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Postby lukx » Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:18 pm

Okay so in this case for example price is creating long MOMO on 4H.
When candle close I should go inside 15M or 5M to see what will happen after price pulls back to 4H MZ (if it pulls back) but if it does I'm not entering long as soon as price hi 4H ZL but on 15M or 5M I'm starting to look also for momo in MZ area for long?

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