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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:57 pm

lukx wrote:es/pip oh man how you manage to see all this action through all tmf?
When I'm starting to jump from tmf to tmf I'm loosing the vision.


just do this


watch just the h4 for your zl/mz

then enter off the 5-15


that eliminates all the other time frames----

then once you feel you understand then incorporate other time frames inside the h4


also

they key here is small losers and big winners target entries and exits off the higher time frames and use the smaller to pinpoint good entries
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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:08 pm

lukx wrote:oh my now I'm totally lost short entry after momo long ?!
perfect exits based on what ?!

So you guys when starting to look for trade you got form 1D till 5M ?


"short entry after momo long"

you have to look at the chart and see where it is coming into---- who is it zl'ing---- where did it come from---who ogt zl'ed before it came here---- and now where is it going based on the next held profit area---

"perfect exits based on what"

i do not understand what you are saying

"So you guys when starting to look for trade you got form 1D till 5M"

no

i look at the the higher time frames to find a zl, mz or momentum

AND THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

look inside for a reason to take the trade

i am not trading the 5 min bec the 5 min is saying something I USE IT TO LOOK INSIDE AT WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE HIGHER TIMEFRAME
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Postby lukx » Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:18 pm

Okay so in this case for example price is creating long MOMO on 4H.
When candle close I should go inside 15M or 5M to see what will happen after price pulls back to 4H MZ (if it pulls back) but if it does I'm not entering long as soon as price hi 4H ZL but on 15M or 5M I'm starting to look also for momo in MZ area for long?

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Postby cfabian » Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:36 pm

Well,
I almost got it today. Entered after PA retaliated from crossing that ZL on GBP. Same area were espip and dragon got in.

The thing here is that I was about to enter right at the line when price first touched it, but remembered I should see how price reacts at it. On M5 it started to build up, and entered right when price started to pull back. The candle closed against me so decided to close at BE no matter what.

It ended up a good move in my favor, could get 80 pips, but as mentioned before, closed at BE.

I could't get any other entry point as it moved fast.

At least I'm happy I encountered that entry opportunity same as espip and dragon. The basics are there, just need to polish this sh*t.

Question... what prevented you from entering at around the time I got in?






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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:34 pm

lukx wrote:Okay so in this case for example price is creating long MOMO on 4H.
When candle close I should go inside 15M or 5M to see what will happen after price pulls back to 4H MZ (if it pulls back) but if it does I'm not entering long as soon as price hi 4H ZL but on 15M or 5M I'm starting to look also for momo in MZ area for long?

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YES
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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:49 pm

cfabian wrote:Well,
I almost got it today. Entered after PA retaliated from crossing that ZL on GBP. Same area were espip and dragon got in.

The thing here is that I was about to enter right at the line when price first touched it, but remembered I should see how price reacts at it. On M5 it started to build up, and entered right when price started to pull back. The candle closed against me so decided to close at BE no matter what.

It ended up a good move in my favor, could get 80 pips, but as mentioned before, closed at BE.

I could't get any other entry point as it moved fast.

At least I'm happy I encountered that entry opportunity same as espip and dragon. The basics are there, just need to polish this sh*t.

Question... what prevented you from entering at around the time I got in?






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label where u got in---- not sure where it was or based on what

there were a number of chances to get in

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Postby cfabian » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:06 pm

espip, the mark is there in the chart... a small arrow on entry and exit, right on the small M5 short candle.



es/pip wrote:
cfabian wrote:Well,
I almost got it today. Entered after PA retaliated from crossing that ZL on GBP. Same area were espip and dragon got in.

The thing here is that I was about to enter right at the line when price first touched it, but remembered I should see how price reacts at it. On M5 it started to build up, and entered right when price started to pull back. The candle closed against me so decided to close at BE no matter what.

It ended up a good move in my favor, could get 80 pips, but as mentioned before, closed at BE.

I could't get any other entry point as it moved fast.

At least I'm happy I encountered that entry opportunity same as espip and dragon. The basics are there, just need to polish this sh*t.

Question... what prevented you from entering at around the time I got in?






Image



label where u got in---- not sure where it was or based on what

there were a number of chances to get in

Image

Image

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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:50 pm

cfabian wrote:espip, the mark is there in the chart... a small arrow on entry and exit, right on the small M5 short candle.



es/pip wrote:
cfabian wrote:Well,
I almost got it today. Entered after PA retaliated from crossing that ZL on GBP. Same area were espip and dragon got in.

The thing here is that I was about to enter right at the line when price first touched it, but remembered I should see how price reacts at it. On M5 it started to build up, and entered right when price started to pull back. The candle closed against me so decided to close at BE no matter what.

It ended up a good move in my favor, could get 80 pips, but as mentioned before, closed at BE.

I could't get any other entry point as it moved fast.

At least I'm happy I encountered that entry opportunity same as espip and dragon. The basics are there, just need to polish this sh*t.

Question... what prevented you from entering at around the time I got in?






Image



label where u got in---- not sure where it was or based on what

there were a number of chances to get in

Image

Image

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why would you get in at the top of the momo candle with out a pullback

if one was going to enter based on that increase in 5 min momo it would be here not at the top of it. if i had gotten out on that close i would have been right back in after the next bar had an increase in momo and couldn't pullback

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and i am also watching---when a 5 min bar closes against me i am watching its momentum relative to the other bars around it--- the one u exited on was smaller than the up one before it----- sometimes it keeps u in a move and sometimes it causes you to take a full stop------ no rule--- its just a choice one makes on what to do

looking to the 5-15 min is trying to get the best price with not much draw down----- instead of just blindly entering on a h4 bar/area
Bend over and assume the position for another 4 years of hope and change.

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Postby lukx » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:06 pm

Many thanks es/pip I'm really starting to see it now.
Just last question regarding your charts, your ZL on 5M are placed not on momo 50% but where candle brake out above pervious one right?

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Postby es/pip » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:44 pm

lukx wrote:Many thanks es/pip I'm really starting to see it now.
Just last question regarding your charts, your ZL on 5M are placed not on momo 50% but where candle brake out above pervious one right?



where ever you perceive the held profit to be. i mark them of the previous candle as my point of interest

i am aware of the 50% range but more interested where it came from--- being the prev candle
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