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Postby manujoos » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:16 am

try to figure out the things that the pros (MO, es/pip, dragon, zapzinig, etc) are looking @ to get confortable with the "Were we are in the big pictrure" Point.

ZLine are used for timing on lower/current tf and tp on higher tf (is this correct?)

For my understanding the most important point for the big picture is the momo in the bigger tfs. es/pips last analysis also uses default chart pattern like double buttom/top together with momo on the high tfs.

What else do you think is important.

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Postby monolisa » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:49 am

Today's EURUSD MZ trade

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"Know your enemy and know yourself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know yourself but not your enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know neither your enemy or yourself, wallow in defeat every time." - Sun Tzu

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Postby marypipins » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:01 am

Ut oh...I maybe way in over my head here...lol but...

Cannot truth be absolute and relative? Yes, I see a cooked turkey on my table, that is an undeniable truth. Did my spouse cook it? maybe..maybe not..He has a hard time boiling water..lol so now we are drifting off into presumption..speculation and just guessing.

Do you not preach that many times what we are seeing may seem like the truth but is merely a lie? Trading is not absolute. isn't trading seeking the truth based on what maybe relatively true? What is the truth when trading?

To answer that, your not allowed to weave a tapistry of intellectual mumbo jumbo that leaves me here scratching my head :D and you are making my brain hurt..lol
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Postby ***FX-JEDI*** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:03 pm

manujoos wrote:try to figure out the things that the pros (MO, es/pip, dragon, zapzinig, etc) are looking @ to get confortable with the "Were we are in the big pictrure" Point.

ZLine are used for timing on lower/current tf and tp on higher tf (is this correct?)

For my understanding the most important point for the big picture is the momo in the bigger tfs. es/pips last analysis also uses default chart pattern like double buttom/top together with momo on the high tfs.

What else do you think is important.


Hi manujoos, & everyone else :)

This is what I think & see, it may or may not be important to you, but I think its important to me, so I use it...

My explanations is in the pics below,
Most of what I write is what I see at the time, my biggest problem is believing in myself of what I see & placing the trade, but I am working on that.
I did not put all zlines in, there where others on the way to targets shown, else I would be here all nite..

What do you think MO, Am I understanding your ways? I try to just use candles to show me the way oh & fibs...lol.
& find KR candle ones help especially at Fib, support, resistance levels.


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Postby es/pip » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:35 pm

manujoos wrote:try to figure out the things that the pros (MO, es/pip, dragon, zapzinig, etc) are looking @ to get confortable with the "Were we are in the big pictrure" Point.

ZLine are used for timing on lower/current tf and tp on higher tf (is this correct?)

For my understanding the most important point for the big picture is the momo in the bigger tfs. es/pips last analysis also uses default chart pattern like double buttom/top together with momo on the high tfs.

What else do you think is important.


try to figure out the things that the pros (MO, es/pip, dragon, zapzinig, etc) are looking @ to get confortable with the "Were we are in the big pictrure" Point.

well i wrote out a lengthy response (twice) and reread it before i posted it--- and deleted it. This just cant be explained in words-- at least i can't do it and that is why i post the charts.

big picture

1. momo higher time frames
2. Who just got zl'ed---- who is next.


i don't "use" chart patterns----- but if we are coming in to a potential double top/bottom i am aware it is there. and then watch the momo into it if it increases into it then most likely will not hold if it decreases into it we will most likely have some type of reaction there.

ZLine are used for timing on lower/current tf and tp on higher tf (is this correct?)

ehhhhhhh

i guess in a way

but

a zl, in context of what it is, is the exact same thing on any time frame. all it is doing is showing where traders are sitting with a profit. What happens to most traders sitting with a profit? They get ZL'ed.

the higher time frames show the big picture of where we are in the scheme of things and where the market is going to move based on the held profit and momentum. when you have a certain zl on say a daily chart and then a zl above it and below it for the short/ long held profit of those areas. Inside the daily you will have other h4, h1, m30 m15, m5 and m1 zl's all over the place at different levels( each one doing the same thing as the daily zl). the market is then going to move thru all these different levels on its way to where ever it is going. As it is making its way to the higher time frame destination you use momentum to show u which destination it is going to go to. the higher the time frame momo the more important it is. You just have to also keep in mind where we came from as a result of that momo and where we are now.

jeez, that was a mess.

that's why i post charts---- this cant be explained in words.

people who understand ZL's will understand the above

people who do not understand ZL's will most likely not understand any of that.
Bend over and assume the position for another 4 years of hope and change.

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Postby manujoos » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:58 pm

Thanks FX-Jedi and es/pip

What does the response of FX-Jedi and es/pip to my question have in common? The Momentum part. Both use different styles. But this showes me that the momo part is the most important on all timeframes! Thank you guys!

es/pip: Its true. Not describable. I tried to find out general things you are looking at. This answered my question. You look for momo and then for the zline to enter.

An other question: When you enter @ the wick in direction of loss...
... do you usually wait for that candle to close or do you enter when the wicks formes during candle lifetime?

manu

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Postby kc8flq » Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:42 pm

MightyOne wrote: Matter/energy should not exist because something cannot come from nothing and yet here we are.

It is humorous that those who study Quantum Theory talk so much about our power over reality and how thoughts become things while simultaneously rejecting the possibility that we are the thoughts that became things through spoken word...
that an intelligent being exists beyond the confines of our understanding; one whose makeup consists of absolutes (omni).


You really hit the nail on the head with that one MO!
Give a man a fish.... feed him for a day...
Teach a man to fish.... feed him for a LIFETIME!!!

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Postby es/pip » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:53 pm

manujoos wrote:Thanks FX-Jedi and es/pip

What does the response of FX-Jedi and es/pip to my question have in common? The Momentum part. Both use different styles. But this showes me that the momo part is the most important on all timeframes! Thank you guys!

es/pip: Its true. Not describable. I tried to find out general things you are looking at. This answered my question. You look for momo and then for the zline to enter.

An other question: When you enter @ the wick in direction of loss...
... do you usually wait for that candle to close or do you enter when the wicks formes during candle lifetime?

manu



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Postby tradepar » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:57 pm

es/pip

"if the PA and momo do not show that the magneta line is going to hold the price and we have momo up thru that area"

What does PA stand for? - I guess Price Analysis. MOMO I can see on the chart , what do you do or think or look for PA?

Thanks

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Postby dragon33 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:57 pm

Hey Mighty when do we start continuing with the diamant of perception? or is everything allready here?

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