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Postby MightyOne » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:58 pm

es/pip wrote:
MightyOne wrote:
es/pip wrote:very interesting---- i know what i am doing all weekend now :D


why is the from the higher not on this chart and how do you get the 2nd on impact line

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would this be correct

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es / pip,

Upon a low BO the ranges are applied from the high of the current candle NOT the breakout.


ok i can see that

and would be vice vrsa on the high BO


where would you apply the ranges if you have 2 down bars in a row still from the high of current bar or low-------or do you need to apply this on a 2 bar sequence that have opposing bars


It is simply:

High Breakout (0) = line

Can bar 1's range from the low move the 0 line higher on impact?
Can bar 2's range from the low move the 0 line higher on impact?

Special Consideration is given to Outside Bars and aside from that there is nothing else.

Trade long above the last line generated and short below.

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Postby es/pip » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:03 pm

MightyOne wrote:
es/pip wrote:
MightyOne wrote:
razorboy wrote:So would you have entered that trade as price entered the zone on the way down or as it was exiting the zone on the way up?


For what its worth, my associate got nailed by this trade as well


MightyOne wrote:
es/pip wrote:all in all finished the day with +4%

considering all the b/e trades and this trade i posted, which i took a full stop on

great roi on the week



MO do you have any comments on this one, got in near the close of the wick bar

5 min slammed literally 30 pips taking me out before i could even think about getting out at b/e

i see the congestion to the left but with the increase of momo into it i thought it was going to go

thanks

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Why would you enter near the close?

There is a reason why I say the a ZL trade involves the candle hugging momentum only.

After that candle closed you would either trade long as price moved above the momentum candle or you would wait for a pull back for the S&R trade.

Not referring to the cycle line trading:

I usually trade for 1 candle and that candle is the bar hugging the momentum candle.
The only way that I trade for 2 candles is if my entry candle closed
bullish and I have an even higher TF single candle trade that has time
left until it closes.


This is my view based on what I call the "Dynamic Trend" with the arrows indicating my bias.

If this were a TF that I traded I would have went short over top es / pip and started entering back the other way after the bearish "momo."

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how do you determine how to place your "dynamic trend" lines


Currently I have it worked out to the following:

A breakout of the high of the prev. bar (0 only) sets the line to the
prev. bars high extreme.

We will call the prev. candle "0" and the candle before that "00"

The smaller of the 2 ranges of 0 & 00 is added to the low, but only
if it has the potential to raise the breakout line higher.
The larger of the 2 ranges of 0 & 00 is added to the low, but only
if it has the potential to raise the breakout line higher.

In the case of an outside bar the breakout line remains on the breakout with the highest Dynamic Fib Iperiod BO.

Trend is UP when above the line and DOWN when below the line.

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for some reason when we get consecutive candle colors i cant seem to figure out how to do it------lol

every way i try and do it based on your last picture here i cannot come up with those lines

if taken from the low of current candle the lines do not place above current prices and taken from the high puts it way up here

maybe my mind is getting in the way of my eyes

"It is simply:

High Breakout (0) = line

Can bar 1's range from the low move the 0 line higher on impact?
Can bar 2's range from the low move the 0 line higher on impact?

Special Consideration is given to Outside Bars and aside from that there is nothing else.

Trade long above the last line generated and short below. "

bec i cannot seem to apply this here

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Postby MightyOne » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:26 pm

es/pip wrote:
MightyOne wrote:
es/pip wrote:
MightyOne wrote:
razorboy wrote:So would you have entered that trade as price entered the zone on the way down or as it was exiting the zone on the way up?


For what its worth, my associate got nailed by this trade as well


MightyOne wrote:
es/pip wrote:all in all finished the day with +4%

considering all the b/e trades and this trade i posted, which i took a full stop on

great roi on the week



MO do you have any comments on this one, got in near the close of the wick bar

5 min slammed literally 30 pips taking me out before i could even think about getting out at b/e

i see the congestion to the left but with the increase of momo into it i thought it was going to go

thanks

Image


Why would you enter near the close?

There is a reason why I say the a ZL trade involves the candle hugging momentum only.

After that candle closed you would either trade long as price moved above the momentum candle or you would wait for a pull back for the S&R trade.

Not referring to the cycle line trading:

I usually trade for 1 candle and that candle is the bar hugging the momentum candle.
The only way that I trade for 2 candles is if my entry candle closed
bullish and I have an even higher TF single candle trade that has time
left until it closes.


This is my view based on what I call the "Dynamic Trend" with the arrows indicating my bias.

If this were a TF that I traded I would have went short over top es / pip and started entering back the other way after the bearish "momo."

Image


how do you determine how to place your "dynamic trend" lines


Currently I have it worked out to the following:

A breakout of the high of the prev. bar (0 only) sets the line to the
prev. bars high extreme.

We will call the prev. candle "0" and the candle before that "00"

The smaller of the 2 ranges of 0 & 00 is added to the low, but only
if it has the potential to raise the breakout line higher.
The larger of the 2 ranges of 0 & 00 is added to the low, but only
if it has the potential to raise the breakout line higher.

In the case of an outside bar the breakout line remains on the breakout with the highest Dynamic Fib Iperiod BO.

Trend is UP when above the line and DOWN when below the line.

ImageImageImageImage


for some reason when we get consecutive candle colors i cant seem to figure out how to do it------lol

every way i try and do it based on your last picture here i cannot come up with those lines

if taken from the low of current candle the lines do not place above current prices and taken from the high puts it way up here

maybe my mind is getting in the way of my eyes

"It is simply:

High Breakout (0) = line

Can bar 1's range from the low move the 0 line higher on impact?
Can bar 2's range from the low move the 0 line higher on impact?

Special Consideration is given to Outside Bars and aside from that there is nothing else.

Trade long above the last line generated and short below. "

bec i cannot seem to apply this here

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I don't know what the problem is...

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Postby MightyOne » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:38 pm

That is why this needs a multimeter...

so you don't have to worry about how to draw it :lol:

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Postby MightyOne » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:55 pm

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Postby MightyOne » Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:28 pm

I don't know why I have to spell it out...

you should be literally destroying the competition beyond anything
that has ever been seen before:

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Postby es/pip » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:07 am

MightyOne wrote:
es/pip wrote:
MightyOne wrote:
es/pip wrote:
MightyOne wrote:
razorboy wrote:So would you have entered that trade as price entered the zone on the way down or as it was exiting the zone on the way up?


For what its worth, my associate got nailed by this trade as well


MightyOne wrote:
es/pip wrote:all in all finished the day with +4%

considering all the b/e trades and this trade i posted, which i took a full stop on

great roi on the week



MO do you have any comments on this one, got in near the close of the wick bar

5 min slammed literally 30 pips taking me out before i could even think about getting out at b/e

i see the congestion to the left but with the increase of momo into it i thought it was going to go

thanks

Image


Why would you enter near the close?

There is a reason why I say the a ZL trade involves the candle hugging momentum only.

After that candle closed you would either trade long as price moved above the momentum candle or you would wait for a pull back for the S&R trade.

Not referring to the cycle line trading:

I usually trade for 1 candle and that candle is the bar hugging the momentum candle.
The only way that I trade for 2 candles is if my entry candle closed
bullish and I have an even higher TF single candle trade that has time
left until it closes.


This is my view based on what I call the "Dynamic Trend" with the arrows indicating my bias.

If this were a TF that I traded I would have went short over top es / pip and started entering back the other way after the bearish "momo."

Image


how do you determine how to place your "dynamic trend" lines


Currently I have it worked out to the following:

A breakout of the high of the prev. bar (0 only) sets the line to the
prev. bars high extreme.

We will call the prev. candle "0" and the candle before that "00"

The smaller of the 2 ranges of 0 & 00 is added to the low, but only
if it has the potential to raise the breakout line higher.
The larger of the 2 ranges of 0 & 00 is added to the low, but only
if it has the potential to raise the breakout line higher.

In the case of an outside bar the breakout line remains on the breakout with the highest Dynamic Fib Iperiod BO.

Trend is UP when above the line and DOWN when below the line.

ImageImageImageImage


for some reason when we get consecutive candle colors i cant seem to figure out how to do it------lol

every way i try and do it based on your last picture here i cannot come up with those lines

if taken from the low of current candle the lines do not place above current prices and taken from the high puts it way up here

maybe my mind is getting in the way of my eyes

"It is simply:

High Breakout (0) = line

Can bar 1's range from the low move the 0 line higher on impact?
Can bar 2's range from the low move the 0 line higher on impact?

Special Consideration is given to Outside Bars and aside from that there is nothing else.

Trade long above the last line generated and short below. "

bec i cannot seem to apply this here

Image


I don't know what the problem is...

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I don't know what the problem is...

from the fregin low es/pip from the fregin low

lol

sigh

my bad

jeez----------------- i was applying it to the 0 bar being the current candle

im with ya now, i think the whiskey got in the way
:D

now its time to dig into this

very interesting

thanks again

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Postby es/pip » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:26 am

wow

now realizing exactly what i was doing

lol

you cant even possibly do it that way---- counting 0 as current bar to measure of off when it hasn't closed yet

btw i wasn't drinking when i started this

hell, maybe the whiskey cleared it up :shock: :shock:

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Postby TheRumpledOne » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:39 am

MightyOne:

I can only program something if I understand it.

Would this be a lights multimeter or a digital multimeter?
IT'S NOT WHAT YOU TRADE, IT'S HOW YOU TRADE IT!

Please do NOT PM me with trading or coding questions, post them in a thread.

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Postby es/pip » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:46 am

Ok now that I am somewhat on the same page as you

When does the count (0,00) start over/how long is the measurement good for----only the current bar?


If bars 0 and 00 do not effect the price action do you restart the count as the new bars form?

If the measurement of 0,00 does effect the price action do you still walk the count forward as new bars form?

Not sure I expressed that the way I wanted to ----if not clear, I will do it on charts

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