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Postby PebbleTrader » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:18 am

I have found that it is fun also to delve into science world, but as traders we should be cautious to only implement things that make sense and have positive impact on account growth.
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Postby Relativity » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:48 am

deltaskelta wrote:So, relativity had given me the idea of studying time as well, and I had never thought of doing that before.

So I decided to do a time study to find out how long these moves take on average to make.

Here are the results:

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What I am trying to grasp is : what is the significance of space and time together in this sense? Obviously if I see an uptrend that takes the perfect amount of time and space retracement, then its probably a green light.

But, I don't know Im just trying to figure out what it's all telling me.

Anyone have any input?


I wouldn't go there too deeply about time and space without considering market participant makeup thou. Why?

I have 3 classes of 'indicators'
LIVE - my primary tools = main reasons for entry
ODDS - my secondary tools = only to pinpoint entries / exits + look for increased probability of trades
STATS - basic research that held its water, description of PA via stats

Doing these stats are going to be useful, but I would keep the eventual results / tools somewhere in between ODDS and STATS. Hope you get what I mean.

FYI check Nature of Trends page 69 / 70.

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Postby deltaskelta » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:05 pm

Thinking about the space and tiem stuff I realized it doesn't really matter because every time frame higher will technically travel at a slower rate than the TF before. So there is no possible way I can see that H1 will be able to travel faster than M30 or any lower TF. It seems as you go lower the TF's get faster and faster (following the pattern made by M1-MN1) until you reach the tick chart which I would bet is the fastest of all in terms of move/time. The warping of space and time within the graph is a nice idea, but a higher TF just cannot travel faster than a lower TF.

The only thing that was measured and proven with the king factor and relativity's pip factor calculation was that the decay of speed is not linear, for example H1 and W1 seem to retain a lot of the speed (efficiency) of the lower TF. For AAPL, by my calculations, H1 is about 90% the speed of M15, even though it is 4 times as long, aand M5 is about 50% of the speed of M1 and it is 5 times as long. Without doing many calculations, one can see there is clearly a difference in the rate of speed decay.

But, it is still covering less space and more time no matter how you slice it. So I do not think you can use any spacetime bending to your favor because of how all the TF's seem to move slower than the next, all you can do is hope to use one that covers the most data, with the least decay of speed, which would be H1 and W1 for me.

just for shits and gigs I made a graph showing how the bending of spacetime works in a 2d graph. Anyway, I'll be coming back down to earth to make real statistics after this post. LOL

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Postby deltaskelta » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:24 pm

Relativity wrote:
deltaskelta wrote:So, relativity had given me the idea of studying time as well, and I had never thought of doing that before.

So I decided to do a time study to find out how long these moves take on average to make.

Here are the results:

Image


What I am trying to grasp is : what is the significance of space and time together in this sense? Obviously if I see an uptrend that takes the perfect amount of time and space retracement, then its probably a green light.

But, I don't know Im just trying to figure out what it's all telling me.

Anyone have any input?


I wouldn't go there too deeply about time and space without considering market participant makeup thou. Why?

I have 3 classes of 'indicators'
LIVE - my primary tools = main reasons for entry
ODDS - my secondary tools = only to pinpoint entries / exits + look for increased probability of trades
STATS - basic research that held its water, description of PA via stats

Doing these stats are going to be useful, but I would keep the eventual results / tools somewhere in between ODDS and STATS. Hope you get what I mean.

FYI check Nature of Trends page 69 / 70.


hmm I do know what you mean here about the odds and stats, but I'm confused as to what your live or primary tools would be.

Could you give an example just for clarity?

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Postby PebbleTrader » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:48 pm

What is your definition of SPACE?
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Postby PebbleTrader » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:56 pm

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Postby deltaskelta » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:19 pm

I would say space is just a point, in the chart it is a point on the y-axis and price can travel in it going one direction or the other.

Why do you ask, where are you going with that?

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Postby PebbleTrader » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:24 pm

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Postby PebbleTrader » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:25 pm

"I would say space is just a point, in the chart it is a point on the y-axis and price can travel in it going one direction or the other.

Why do you ask, where are you going with that?"

Thanks, Wanted to make sure it wasn't related to position.

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Postby PebbleTrader » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:34 pm

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