TRO:
If I could see what you're saying is fact (see it for myself, and understand it), then I would believe it.
If I Buy at the Ask and Sell at the Bid, there is no difference which broker I'm at, is there? If I Buy at 1.0000 (Ask) and sell at 1.0010 (Bid), that's 10 pips gain, no matter which broker I'm with. Correct?
Am I wrong on this? If so, then why does MB basically tell me this same thing? They say "You are not paying for spread, but as with most trades YOU DO HAVE TO MAKE UP THE SPREAD BEFORE YOU MAKE A PROFIT." How is this different than paying spread? I don't understand.
Whether I'm "paying spread" or not, I must "make up the spread" trading at either broker. Again, how is it different? Like I've said before, it takes 12 pips movement to gain 10 pips at either broker (not counting commissions).
I don't consider I am CHOOSING "to believe fiction rather than fact". I haven't had a satisfactory answer as to the practical difference. If I could buy at bid and sell at bid, THEN I could see a difference. But if I buy, I buy at the ask, which is higher than the bid, yet have to sell at the bid. The spread (or difference between what I must buy at and sell at, ask vs bid) is NOT my imagination. It does exist on MB as well as others, as MB pointed out.
At this point, it sounds like fancy meaningless semantics practically. I have NOT been brainwashed! It's simple MATH! Can you tell me where my MATH is wrong?!
MB Navigator:
Buy at Ask 1.0000
Sell at Bid 1.0010
Profit: 10 pips
Others:
Buy at Ask 1.0000
Sell at Bid 1.0010
Profit: 10 pips
Same thing, or am I missing something? And coming back with "if you don't take it as fact but would rather be brainwashed...", that is still no satisfactory answer, because it STILL doesn't respond to or answer the points I've made multiple times now myself.
Is there anybody else here that can see what I'm saying? I guess I'd like proof I'm not paying a spread. On FXDD MT4, it doesn't say "spread" in subtractions, because it is included in Ask and Bid. Same as I see on MBT.
And frankly, I don't appreciate being told I must believe something that has not been proven to be any different from other brokers, trying to make me feel like I'm NOT GETTING THIS on purpose. Mathematically prove it to me, like I have tried to mathematically show the way I see it, please.
Don
TheRumpledOne wrote:Don:
Until you accept the fact that you are NOT paying a spread AND a commission at MBT, you'll never understand.
You have been BRAINWASHED into thinking you are paying a spread.
Trading on an ECN vs. trading with a Fixed Spread Broker is comparing apples to oranges when it comes to how they work.
I have listed detailed examples of why you should trade with an ECN instead of a FSB. You need to read it until the lightbulb goes off.. or you can choose to believe fiction rather than fact.