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Postby TheRumpledOne » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:54 pm

HI BJ:

That was a long time ago and I don't know what the reason for the ban was. The offending post was probably deleted.

I am NOT the only moderator so I am not sure as to the reason for the ban.

I checked, the user was banned in August and didn't reply until October. That's over a month!

Had the user contacted me IMMEDIATELY, then I would have been able to provide the reason. Like I said, the offending post was probably deleted.

I just banned someone today because they were posting DATA ENTRY JOB OFFERINGS and I deleted the offending posts. Now if they ask me a month from now why they were banned, I will have no idea. But if they ask me in the next couple of days, I will be able to tell them the reason.

When I am banned, I IMMEDIATELY contact the forum admin. I don't wait a month to ask why!!

I took my time to research this so I could answer you, BJ. I see that you are trying to make me out to be a HYPOCRITE but that's not the case.

Some responsibility lies with the user for contacting the forum admin ASAP!

Either you'll accept this explanation or you won't.
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Pirates Indeed

Postby Elmst » Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:44 am

Hi Everyone,

I am one of the dreaded Admins for ForexSrdc.com. Let me tell you the truth as to why your leader was banned. He and Avery had asked Orange if they could join the forum and Orange said sure just don't post any links to your forum or any other method. That request was immediately disregarded and Avery was banned. Kreslik then started his series of negative posts and he was banned. Next day the board was nuked. Since that time, Kreslik has bombarded our board with posts and links to his first comment here. First, we are a free forum and we charge for nothing. Orange is coming to the US at the request of several of our members. The cost will cover many things including the cost for Orange to fly from his home and lodging as well as conference space at an expensive hotel. Kreslik prides himself on being banned and he and Avery have done this before. Did he nuke our board? We will see because we have reported this and his relentless attacks in the open to the FBI. I can tell you this, he has snuck into our site under several different IP's and names only to make bad posts. Is this the kind of man you want to follow? He says he never deletes posts so lets see how long this one lasts. BTW, why would a guy get into the member database and Pm all of our users directing them to this site? Ask yourself why he gets banned so often? All we wanted was to follow our method in peace and I guess it will take the FBI to allow that to happen because of Mr. Kreslik.
Also, our members are angry and their first inclination was to cause problems here but Orange and I said no way, we will not get down on that level.
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Postby eudamonia » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:21 am

Elmst,

Well I'd say that if you had nothing to hide then you wouldn't be concerned about people reading what Michal had to say. If you go banning every user that comes along and is critical then you end up with a very gestapo forum where no one can contribute anything.

I'm sure Michal will leave your post up (he already said he would) simply so people like myself can tell you you're an idiot. How do I know this? Anyone who feels they need to get the FBI involved because their forum went down is either 12 years old or an idiot. If you can't tell who hacked your site then you probably are not intelligent enough to protect your site from hackers in the first place. Go back to grade school where you belong.

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Re: Pirates Indeed

Postby 4x=0 » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:57 am

Elmst wrote:All we wanted was to follow our method in peace and I guess it will take the FBI to allow that to happen because of Mr. Kreslik.


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Re: Pirates Indeed

Postby TheRumpledOne » Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:18 am

Elmst wrote:Hi Everyone,

I am one of the dreaded Admins for ForexSrdc.com. Let me tell you the truth as to why your leader was banned. He and Avery had asked Orange if they could join the forum and Orange said sure just don't post any links to your forum or any other method. That request was immediately disregarded and Avery was banned. Kreslik then started his series of negative posts and he was banned. Next day the board was nuked. Since that time, Kreslik has bombarded our board with posts and links to his first comment here. First, we are a free forum and we charge for nothing. Orange is coming to the US at the request of several of our members. The cost will cover many things including the cost for Orange to fly from his home and lodging as well as conference space at an expensive hotel. Kreslik prides himself on being banned and he and Avery have done this before. Did he nuke our board? We will see because we have reported this and his relentless attacks in the open to the FBI. I can tell you this, he has snuck into our site under several different IP's and names only to make bad posts. Is this the kind of man you want to follow? He says he never deletes posts so lets see how long this one lasts. BTW, why would a guy get into the member database and Pm all of our users directing them to this site? Ask yourself why he gets banned so often? All we wanted was to follow our method in peace and I guess it will take the FBI to allow that to happen because of Mr. Kreslik.
Also, our members are angry and their first inclination was to cause problems here but Orange and I said no way, we will not get down on that level.
Regards,
Elmst


How many times must I tell you that the SRDC I and $Trillion Strategy are essentially the same? The ONLY difference is SRDC I uses High/Low and $Trillion uses candle body top/bottom.

When I first learned about SRDC I, I posted and commented on how the methods are alike.

I posted ONE chart on your site showing the $Trillion, and another chart showing the SRDC I. Ever hear of compare and contrast?

I also created an indicator to show just how profitable SRDC I is?

I also offered to write TradeStation and eSignal indicators for the SRDC methods.

I didn't post any code nor did I make reference to any other websites.

To me, you guys went overboard by banning me WITHOUT a discussion. It should have been obvious I wanted to COOPERATE with you. And that if my posting a chart of $Trillion was a rules violation, which I truly didn't think it was, then all you had to do was delete the post.

But hey, it's your forum, and I respect that. I hope it all works out for you.
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Re: Pirates Indeed

Postby michal.kreslik » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:09 am

Elmst wrote:Hi Everyone,

I am one of the dreaded Admins for ForexSrdc.com. Let me tell you the truth as to why your leader was banned. He and Avery had asked Orange if they could join the forum and Orange said sure just don't post any links to your forum or any other method. That request was immediately disregarded and Avery was banned. Kreslik then started his series of negative posts and he was banned. Next day the board was nuked. Since that time, Kreslik has bombarded our board with posts and links to his first comment here. First, we are a free forum and we charge for nothing. Orange is coming to the US at the request of several of our members. The cost will cover many things including the cost for Orange to fly from his home and lodging as well as conference space at an expensive hotel. Kreslik prides himself on being banned and he and Avery have done this before. Did he nuke our board? We will see because we have reported this and his relentless attacks in the open to the FBI. I can tell you this, he has snuck into our site under several different IP's and names only to make bad posts. Is this the kind of man you want to follow? He says he never deletes posts so lets see how long this one lasts. BTW, why would a guy get into the member database and Pm all of our users directing them to this site? Ask yourself why he gets banned so often? All we wanted was to follow our method in peace and I guess it will take the FBI to allow that to happen because of Mr. Kreslik.
Also, our members are angry and their first inclination was to cause problems here but Orange and I said no way, we will not get down on that level.
Regards,
Elmst


Hello, Elmst,

first I'd like to thank you heartily for your post! At least someone from SRDC had finally responded to my messages. Please keep posting here.

I am definitely not going to delete your message. Why should I be doing that? I'm grateful the truth may finally come out in the open.

Alas, there are a lot of lies in your post, but there's no time to reveal all of them, so let's just settle on exposing the big ones.

Elmst wrote:He and Avery had asked Orange if they could join the forum


This is a lie. I don't know what Avery is doing, but I was not asking Orange if I could join the forum. Anyone can join your forum, right? There's no need to ask Orange for that. Then: I actually sent a friendly PM to Orange stating that it would be cool if he could spend a couple of minutes and present his system to our forum members. This would actually promote his forum here. Unfortunately, you deleted my account at your forum without any reason, so I can't provide you the exact wording, but if you care, ask Orange. He will have the copy of this PM in his inbox.

Elmst wrote:and Orange said sure just don't post any links to your forum or any other method. That request was immediately disregarded and Avery was banned. Kreslik then started his series of negative posts and he was banned.


Excellent, there are actually at least two lies in the above paragraph. So let's dissect the main two:

First lie:
  • Orange didn't say anything regarding any links nor methods to me in his reply to my PM. He said something like "ok, let's cooperate in the future" (again, my account got deleted, so etc.).
Second lie:
  • I didn't start any "series of negative posts". I actually contributed to the thread "what is going on" where I was recommending to you, admins, to install ctracker.de anti-cracking system on your forums. After that, you installed ctracker.de on your forums (surely a coincidence).
Elmst wrote:Since that time, Kreslik has bombarded our board with posts and links to his first comment here.

After not being able to obtain any reply to my basic question "why was I banned" from Orange by email, I posted about two or three times (it got deleted every time) a polite message directly on your forums with a request for an explanation of why on earth was I banned. It surely was not a bombarding.

Fortunately, I actually saved the message after it got deleted for the first time (so that I wouldn't have to type it over and over as I had a hunch it's gonna get deleted again). Let's have a look at how exactly this rude "bombarding message" of the ugly spammer Kreslik did really look like on your forum:

Elmst wrote:Hello,

I would like to know why am I banned from this forum.

The party line goes like this:
  • I registered here on the forums two days ago
  • I sent a friendly message to Orange stating I'm offering him an opportunity to present his SRDC system to our forum members at http://kreslik.com for free
  • Orange responds to me stating "lets look at areas where we can work together in the near future"
  • next thing I know is that I'm banned from these forums and falsely accused of hacking into this forum without any evidence

Could someone (preferably the admins or Orange) please explain to me why am I banned?? I mailed to Orange asking him if he could explain that, but got no reply. That's why I'm asking this question publicly here. Is that a common practice for you to ban everyone who is offering you a helping hand?

Michal Kreslik


Elmst wrote:First, we are a free forum


Uhm, I seriously doubt it. I am not the only one who was banned recently from your (as eudamonia aptly noted) gestapo forums. A couple of people from your forums have written to me they were banned for "telling the truth to the admins". But then, you are free to do anything on your forum. You might torture your users or cast a bad spell on them.

Elmst wrote:Orange is coming to the US at the request of several of our members. The cost will cover many things including the cost for Orange to fly from his home and lodging as well as conference space at an expensive hotel.


Anyone is absolutely free to charge anyone else any amount of money provided the other party is willing to pay. I was only saying that provided that Orange is going to present you something that's for free eslewhere, it's, at least, money not well spent.

And also, I guess the general public is not made of brainless people, as you might assume by stating that $2500 per person is a "cost coverage". I paid $1000 for a three days' Rob Booker's seminar in Miami and it was taking place at the luxurious hotel on Miami Beach.

I doubt that a meeting room in you airport hotel in Orlando could ever be more pricey (well unless a bunch of Hooters is gonna join the party). A night in a nice hotel costs $150, a return flight ticket from Bahrain costs $1600. Again, anyone is perfectly free to set his price, but it's not accurate to call that a "cost coverage".

Elmst wrote:Kreslik prides himself on being banned and he and Avery have done this before.


Man, once again, you are making things up like a pro (are you doing politics?). I have never banned anyone out of this forum. And I would be surely against myself to ban you. You are a precious member of this forum now.

Sure, I banned a couple of guys (or rather bots) out of Avery's Yahoo forums. Those were spammers of the "VIAGRA" sort. If I was to ban anyone from Kreslik.com (and I don't mean banning "VIAGRA" spammers, but a regular user), the sinner would certainly get plenty of notice from me before he would get banned. I am sure the same goes for Avery - he wouldn't ban anyone without a proper prior notice.

Elmst wrote:I can tell you this, he has snuck into our site under several different IP's and names only to make bad posts.


I have straightforwadly said here in the opening post that I have used a commercially available utility that protects one's IP. This is not the same as hacking into somewhere. I used that utility to get a chance to defend myself which is my right. If you can't tell the difference between a hacker and a user who is using a utility to protect his IP, I'd say you would contribute more to the society if you rather switched from being a webadmin to selling an icecream in a shop.

Elmst wrote:BTW, why would a guy get into the member database and Pm all of our users directing them to this site?


I sent the messages the standard way: I was not "getting" into the database with any unusual technique :). I only sent PMs to about one half of your members (certainly not all!) as I knew a public post on your forums would get deleted again. I felt that after you defamed me in front of your memebrs and you were keeping me from defending myself publicly on your forum, I had the right to tell the truth to your members directly via PM. Once again, let's have a look at the "bad post" I made by PMs to your users - I have saved that one, too:

Elmst wrote:Hello,

I apologize for bothering you, but unfortunately all my public messages are getting deleted on this forum without any reason, so I am choosing this way to let you know that Orange is lying to you concerning the website attack.

If you care to find out more about that, please have a look at my explaining article here:
http://kreslik.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=453

I'll be happy if you express your opinion there as I understand it's not possible to freely post on this forexsrdc.com forum.

Thank you,
Michal Kreslik


Elmst wrote:Also, our members are angry and their first inclination was to cause problems here but Orange and I said no way, we will not get down on that level.


After sending PMs with the above text, I got lots of replies by email. They thanked me for sending them this info and they were saying that it "opened their eyes" and that they are on my side in this issue. But I'm afraid you will never see this kind of feedback as the people know you would ban them the next second.

Also, thanks for not getting on my level.

Elmst wrote:Is this the kind of man you want to follow?


Elmst, thank you for following me by posting on this forum. I do really appreciate that.

Elmst wrote:He says he never deletes posts so lets see how long this one lasts.


Forever. I'm not deleting posts nor ban people for no reason.

Elmst wrote:Ask yourself why he gets banned so often?


Hey come on, man. Now you are really making up stuff like there was no tomorrow. SRDC is my second ban total. Before I was only banned from ForexFactory. Why? Well let me quote FF admin, whom I contacted immediately after getting banned: "The problem here is that your forum is a haven for TRO.." etc. :lol: In a nutshell, the guy hates Avery and he was hinting that I should ban Avery from kreslik.com :lol: As I actually have originally set up this site for Avery, that didn't seem to me much like an option :lol: . So I was banned from FF for being associated with Avery, which I am actually proud of whatever are the consequences. As it seems to me, I was banned from your forum for much the same reason, correct?

Anyway, I don't have a need to post on ForexFactory nor on your forum, so I don't see that as an issue for me. In fact, you are promoting kreslik.com by banning us. Thank you.

Elmst wrote:Did he nuke our board? We will see because we have reported this and his relentless attacks in the open to the FBI.


Seems like you are watching too much TV, buddy. FPI is dealing with crime, not with children playing in their sandbox.

But after all, maybe you are true. FBI might really be a bit interested in a foreign Arabian citizen from Bahrain who is openly threatening US citizens by sending them emails with text "Playing with fire and messing with THE WRONG people who can be your allied is perhaps is the most foolish thing anyone could do.". I wouldn't wonder if they would reassess whether he is welcome here:



Once again, thanks for posting your opinion here. Next time, please use less lies as it's taking me a valuable time to defend myself against those. And I'm getting tired of that.


I wish you a great day and lots of subjugated users,
Michal

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Postby Elmst » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:48 pm

Ok Mr Kreslik,

Look, this is your forum and unlike you I will not try to disrupt your users. The only reason I posted here in the first place is because you PM'd our users and guided them to this page. There is no "We Hate Michal Kreslik" page on our forum and there never will be. You can preach to the choir here all you like and I will not darken you doors again. You mentioned Rob Booker, he is from my home state and I have the greatest respect for him and his teachings. Rob Booker would never invade someone else's forum and PM their users guiding them to his site. Our forum is for SRDC only, that is it. It is funded by a few people and that is all we want there. Also, if we want to pay Orange 1,000,000 to come here that should be our choice, and it is by choice that we are meeting him. You have control of content here and if you choose it can be as broad or as focused as you care for it to be. I told the truth in my first post but you obviously have way more time for this stuff than I do. I am a Trader first and last and do not make my living from seminars or revenue on a forum. I wish the members of this forum, Avery, and you Mr. Kreslik all the best in your endeavors. If anyone in our group harmed you or Avery in anyway, then I am truly sorry. It is certainly not my way.

Good luck
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Re: Wow

Postby michal.kreslik » Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:09 pm

Elmst wrote:Rob Booker would never invade someone else's forum and PM their users guiding them to his site.


Well have you ever tried spreading a false accusation that Rob Booker hacked into your forum, then threatening him and finally banning him so that he can't defend himself?

If not, try that. We'll see what happens and then we might compare who did what.

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Postby TheRumpledOne » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:19 pm

Elmst wrote:Ok Mr Kreslik,

Look, this is your forum and unlike you I will not try to disrupt your users. The only reason I posted here in the first place is because you PM'd our users and guided them to this page. There is no "We Hate Michal Kreslik" page on our forum and there never will be. You can preach to the choir here all you like and I will not darken you doors again. You mentioned Rob Booker, he is from my home state and I have the greatest respect for him and his teachings. Rob Booker would never invade someone else's forum and PM their users guiding them to his site. Our forum is for SRDC only, that is it. It is funded by a few people and that is all we want there. Also, if we want to pay Orange 1,000,000 to come here that should be our choice, and it is by choice that we are meeting him. You have control of content here and if you choose it can be as broad or as focused as you care for it to be. I told the truth in my first post but you obviously have way more time for this stuff than I do. I am a Trader first and last and do not make my living from seminars or revenue on a forum. I wish the members of this forum, Avery, and you Mr. Kreslik all the best in your endeavors. If anyone in our group harmed you or Avery in anyway, then I am truly sorry. It is certainly not my way.

Good luck
Elmst


"Rob Booker would never invade someone else's forum and PM their users guiding them to his site."

How would one "invade" a place that has "open doors"?
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Re: Wow

Postby michal.kreslik » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:01 pm

Hello, Elmst, again,

let's put an end to this unfortunate issue finally. Thank you for contacting me, I really appreciate that.

I am not interested nor do I have time to blather about this issue any more as is certainly the case for you.

Elmst wrote:If anyone in our group harmed you or Avery in anyway, then I am truly sorry. It is certainly not my way.


Thank you, the same goes for me - I had no intention to harm your users and I hope you understand what was leading me to those steps I've done.

Believe me, I have no reason nor urge to bother anyone unless he starts bothering me first. The only way how to solve problems is to communicate. You seem like a good guy - first of all you communicate, which is a general prerequisite for solving a discrepancy. Orange doesn't. Too bad as there's no way to solve discrepancies with him then.

Just for the record: Orange has never excused himself for accusing me of hacking into your forum, which was the initial impulse of this unfortunate Odyssey. I don't even expect him to do so as I can see he lacks basic communication skills.

I'm open to any future cooperation with you and your forum.

I wish you success. Thank you and have a great day,
Michal Kreslik

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