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Avery and Michal: dreaded pirates and hackers! :)

Postby michal.kreslik » Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:06 pm

Hello, friends,

I know this is a littlebit off-topic, but I would like to share with you one very bizarre story that happened to me and Avery just now.

Maybe you've heard about the SRDC trading system and about Aman Arif Tahir (OrangeRoshan) who is promoting it. Avery told me about this a couple of days ago. I found out Aman had set up a website for promoting the system.

He is charging $2500 for an SRDC seminar, which is a highly exaggerated price for stuff that's freely available on the internet, but then if someone is going to pay for something that Avery is giving away for free, then why not :) (Actually, SRDC is very similar to one of Avery's systems/indicators).

In any case, it seemed to me that Aman had put up all the bits and pieces of the various systems and concepts quite well and that his version might be of interest for our kreslik.com members. The system's description is free on his site, so I registered there two days ago and dropped him a line stating that we would be happy if he introduced his version of the system for our members here, too, right at kreslik.com. He responded with something like "let's cooperate in the future".

I don't know exactly, because our accounts (Avery's and mine) were deleted from the site that day for some strange reason and our IPs were banned. I asked OrangeRoshan why were we banned, but got no reply. I guess the reason might have been that Avery had posted his version of SRDC indicator here at kreslik.com, the same day. Who knows. We didn't care.

The next day their site was down, probably as a result of incompetent system administration. I cannot tell for sure, but the sql errors I saw on the pages looked exactly the same as the errors I saw at kreslik.com when I was first making this site work and when I was not competent at it neither :) But then maybe it really was a hacking attack. In any case, even if it was a hacking attack, that meant the site was not secured properly against it, which is still the fault of the website administrator. Just for info, there's a strong anti-cracking engine implemented behind kreslik.com website.

Then a reply came from Aman (it's a verbatim copy):

From: Aman Arif Tahir [mailto:a.m.a.n.t.a.h.i.r@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:07 AM
To: Michal Kreslik
Subject: Re: banned from your forums

Michal,

One of the admin banned you as they know you and therumpledone are together. You Nuking our forum is confirming the banned. I am dissapointed with you and therumpledone's behaviour. We have enough evidence to take the matter to the authority. Im not taking this lightly.

I really think you guys are smarter than this. Playing with fire and messing with THE WRONG people who can be your allied is perhaps is the most foolish thing anyone could do.

OR


On 2/1/07, Michal Kreslik <michal.kreslik@kreslik.com> wrote:


Hello, Aman,

I would just like to know why I was banned from your forum.

Thanks,
Michal Kreslik


I was shocked. The poor guy was thinking that me and Avery have hacked his site :))))

Also, I just couldn't believe my eyes this Aman Arif Tahir is threatening us! By the time I received this ridiculously vengeful email, I already knew we were indeed "messing with the wrong people".

Aman started spreading the word that Avery and me brought his site down by a malicious attack. Instantly, the image of me and Avery in those pirate hats came to my mind :)

My IP being banned, I used a publicly available commercial utility to change my IP and posted an inquiry on his site as to why are we banned from his forums and stating that his accusations of us hacking into their site were false. Guess what: the message got deleted and this happened several times. Maybe someone didn't want to let people know the truth about their web admin being incompetent.

Anyway, I posted this article here just so that there's a record of how the things really happened, who started this nonsensical issue (Aman) and who is lying (Aman).

Indeed, one can tell the degree of forum liberality by the number of articles deleted by the admins. Here on kreslik.com no article was or will ever be deleted unless it contains swear words or excessive solicitation.

But this is not the case for Aman's forum (and some other forums as well). Those are not liberal, but rather despotic.

By the way, if you are reading this, Aman, please go ahead and post your opinion (most preferably along with your "evidence") here. I'm not revengeful as you are and I'm not going to delete your post nor ban you from here. I'm fine and this forum is liberal.

I'm not going to spend any more time on this ridiculous issue. Jeez, I can't believe I have already spent the precious time writing this. But when someone is defaming me or my friends, I act. At least on paper :) At least by writing an article :)

On the other hand, let's hope Aman is not gonna fulfill his threats by dropping a bomb on Arizona :) After all, he is getting ready for a trip here to the United States, soon, as I've heard. So I guess next time I should rather keep myself from "messing with the wrong people", as Aman aptly put it.

What's the morals of this story? Offer a cooperation to a fool and he's gonna make the fool out of you.


Michal

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Postby Craig » Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:25 pm

Classic! you should read the way he threatens people who don't toe the line on the SRDC thread on Forex Factory. Anybody who gives $2500 to this guy for his system needs to donate their brain to medical science.

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Postby TheRumpledOne » Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:16 pm

Actually, I feel for Orange Roshan. I don't think he's a bad guy.

OR quit posting on Forex Factory and started his own forum. I was all for that! I wished him well, offered to program his indicators for TradeStation and eSignal and alerted EFX Group that a new forum had been started so EFX could lend their support.

Now what happened?

I posted a screen shot of my $Trillion Strategy on www.forexsrdc.com, coded an SRDC indicator and posted that screenshot. For that, I was BANNED!! I was accused of "promoting" my system. The SRDC I and $Trillion Strategy are essentially the same with ONE small difference - $Trillion uses candle body top/bottom for the entry and SRDC I uses high/low.

The indicator I wrote and posted was to show the SRDC I was profitable. But for some reason, one of the admins thought it was best to ban me. And he wasn't at all polite.

The next day I get a message from OR saying he was unhappy with what I did to his site? I sent an email back asking what he was talking about. Later I found out his site had "crashed". OR accussed Michal and I of "nuking" his site.

Anyone who knows me would realize that is NOT my style. My style has always been to publically ridicule and embarrass. It's more fun that way...LOL! I love making others look stupid when they mess with me.

TradeStation and eSignal thought they taught me a lesson by banning me. All it did was make me all the more popular and cause people to seek me out.

Forex Factory and Forex SRDC will produce similiar results since they banned me.

To paraphrase:

"The Internet is more powerful than the sword".

Actually, I wish Orange Roshan no ill will. Something happened to his site and I am an easy target to pin the blame on. I just hope when the dust settles and the truth comes out, OR will admit that Michal and I were NOT at fault.
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Postby 4x=0 » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:37 pm

1. OR designs a forum and a system for sale on the forum.

2. User signs-up with forum and posts information about a very simlar FREE system.

3. User gets banned.

Then his site crashed after the conflict and he assumes it was the guys who already tried to patronize his operation - i'm not surprised, I might think the same.

You were basically stealing from him.

Now he wants nothing to do with you so leave him alone. He wont retaliate beacuse he has no proof that it was you anyway. Because it wasn't you.

You can get away with much when you provide everything for "free" but there is a responsibility that comes with that freedom.

Michal was generous to offer a place for OR to promote his operation.

OR did not offer the same for TRO to promote his own system on the SDRC forum.

Sure teh whole thing is funny, but you are not innocent you pir8s.

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Postby michal.kreslik » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:55 pm

4x=0 wrote:1. OR designs a forum and a system for sale on the forum.

2. User signs-up with forum and posts information about a very simlar FREE system.

3. User gets banned.

Then his site crashed after the conflict and he assumes it was the guys who already tried to patronize his operation - i'm not surprised, I might think the same.

You were basically stealing from him.

Now he wants nothing to do with you so leave him alone. He wont retaliate beacuse he has no proof that it was you anyway. Because it wasn't you.

You can get away with much when you provide everything for "free" but there is a responsibility that comes with that freedom.

Michal was generous to offer a place for OR to promote his operation.

OR did not offer the same for TRO to promote his own system on the SDRC forum.

Sure teh whole thing is funny, but you are not innocent you pir8s.


4x=0, the pirates are never innocent :smt066

The funny thing is that at least 5 people have already written me today that they have been banned from the same forum. One of them told me he was banned by telling admins the truth :lol:

Other people wrote to me that they are rather hush than being banned..

I observe that SRDC is not really a forum but rather a marketing newsletter. But that's not my business. As long as they don't irritate me by spreading nonsensical info about me on the internet. But anyway it seems that nobody is paying too much attention to their bu**s*it.


Michal

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Postby michal.kreslik » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:01 pm

4x=0 wrote:1. OR designs a forum and a system for sale on the forum.

2. User signs-up with forum and posts information about a very simlar FREE system.

3. User gets banned.


By the way, the above is the typical chronological order of events that set in when TheRumpledOne starts posting somewhere.

To TRO's credit I have to admit that he's taken this to almost a flawless perfection - now he's able to get banned by following the above steps in almost no time. Well, practise makes perfect.

Michal

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Postby TheRumpledOne » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:50 pm

Come on guys, be nice..LOL!

Orange Roshan posted his methods for FREE for all to use and see on www.forexfactory.com

OR's threads became very popular. A simple method that works! I had posted my $Trillion Strategy on Forex Factory but they banned me.

If Orange wants to sell his system via subscription, eBooks, seminars, etc... there's nothing wrong with that. I wish him success.

If Orange wants to keep all other systems off his forum, there's nothing wrong with that. It's his forum so he gets to make the rules.

My objection is when rules are NOT applied evenly and fairly.

I also object to obviously stupid rules such as allowing people to post code that's for sale but not allowing someone to post FREE CODE just because it has a line inside the code that says "GIFTS AND DONATIONS ACCEPTED".

Did you notice eSignal deleted my TREND INDICATOR THREAD? Was it because they didn't want there users to have my free code? Just because my free indicators blew away their Advanced Get, that's not a reason to delete the thread. At least TradeStation hasn't been that stupid (yet)...LOL!!
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Postby rrobin » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:17 pm

Remember people judge others by the way they really are.

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Postby eudamonia » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:42 pm

TRO,

Just don't post any free code on the Tickquest forum - I don't want you getting banned there too :-#

LOL.

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Postby BlackJack » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:05 pm

[Start quote
If Orange wants to keep all other systems off his forum, there's nothing wrong with that. It's his forum so he gets to make the rules.

My objection is when rules are NOT applied evenly and fairly.
End quote]

TRO,

I am sorry but I just can't stand it any longer.

I've stood by and listened to you go on and on about how you've been banned from just about every form that you've been on. I've listened to you sound off about how unfair all the other form administrators are and how they don't abide by their own rules. Over and over and over again - ad ig nosum.

But when you ban someone from your form what do you do? What is your reply when the banned person logs on under an assumed id and asks you why they were banned?

"Well you must have posted something you shouldn't have".

That's it?? That's all from you??

What about evidence of the offending post?

What do YOU do when the same person challenges YOU to show the offending post? YOU do nothing. Why - because there is no offending post to show them is there. What do YOU do when other members of the form object to YOUR banning this person - nothing - no reply at all. Nor do you reply to the person that challenged you to show the offending post. All we hear from you is silence.

The form in question is YOUR form on Yahoo - TheRumpledOne@yahoogroups.com
And the person in question is - lameyering

You owe him an explanation and when you can't find the offending post you owe him an apology.

BJ

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