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Postby michal.kreslik » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:04 pm

TheRumpledOne wrote:All we need is an automated Easy Language to Neo Tracker code converter...


Avery,

EasyLanguage is actually quite similar to Pascal.

Delphi (one of the Neo languages) comes out of Pascal.

Maybe I could try to write an EL to Delphi convertor in C#.NET.

Will there be anyone willing to help me in that quest?

Michal

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Postby michal.kreslik » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:34 pm

eudamonia wrote:however, since I am trading live and making money with my systems on TS I can't all of a sudden pull the plug.

Ed, I am perfectly aware of that.

Thanks God my strategies are so simple that I don't even need to run them on Tradestation. I guess I will be able to recode them to Neo as soon as I find my way thru Delphi Script which can't take much time.

The most complicated code I have been generating was always a research code, not the final-cut strategy code. I always strive to keep the strat code as simple as possible, removing all unnecessary parts.

I am not a great fan of Alexander Elder, but one thing I must admit - he was right when he said that "The more elements in your trading system - the more elements that can break."

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Postby eudamonia » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:52 pm

Michal,

I agree. My strats by themselves are simple. Its all the other code that supports them that is important. As I said earlier I'll be very interested to see how your conversion goes.

Edward

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Postby aspTrader » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:39 pm

This Sunday July 2nd, it looks like Michal can make the Webinar I host almost every Sunday...

So, in honor of his decision and for anyone else interested in what it takes to convert an Easy Language strategy to NeoTicker, I'm gonig to review and discuss the conversion of Michal's "Zones" strategy to a NeoTicker Delphi Script implementation in detail.

Along the way, we'll discuss the key important differences for capabilities and coding for TS strategies and NT system-indicators.

I haven't posted information about it quite yet, but you'll be able to get information about this session here.

5am Pacific Time... currently -7 GMT.

We usually go about 2-3 hours. You're welcome, of course, to join and leave when you wish.

Why that time? I believe Sunday about that time is probably the best time that traders, both in the western hemisphere and europe, have the greatest likelihood of being free.

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Learning Delphi

Postby TomKeough » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:46 pm

michal.kreslik wrote:I guess I will be able to recode them to Neo as soon as I find my way thru Delphi Script which can't take much time.


Michal,
Here are a couple links I have found useful in learning Delphi:

http://www.delphibasics.co.uk/

http://www.marcocantu.com/epascal/default.htm

http://www.marcocantu.com/edelphi/default.htm

http://community.borland.com/article/10280/rate/3

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Tom
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Postby michal.kreslik » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:47 pm

I'll definitely attend the meeting on 7/2 12:00 pm GMT.

Thanks, aspTrader.

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Re: Learning Delphi

Postby michal.kreslik » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:09 am

TomKeough wrote:
michal.kreslik wrote:I guess I will be able to recode them to Neo as soon as I find my way thru Delphi Script which can't take much time.


Michal,
Here are a couple links I have found useful in learning Delphi:

http://www.delphibasics.co.uk/

http://www.marcocantu.com/epascal/default.htm

http://www.marcocantu.com/edelphi/default.htm

http://community.borland.com/article/10280/rate/3

Regards,
Tom


Thanks, Tom,

I have found an interesting article on the Neo forums concerning the choice of language to code in Neo (quite amazing you CAN choose a preferred language!):

http://forums.neoticker.com/showthread.php?t=1086

According to Lawrence Chan, the chief Neo developer, it seems the best choice in terms of code-running speed would be Delphi:

Lawrence Chan wrote:For the comparison between Delphi and VB, which is supported in the current version of NT, the difference in speed is significant where Delphi is about 2 to 2.5 times faster than VB. That is mainly due to the cost of "late-binding" when the VB ActiveX DLL is called. This weakness with VB is now overcome in the coming release of NT that we will provide a way to early-bind the ActiveX DLL.

.Net code is at least a few times slower comparing to either VB or Delphi, but much faster than DelphiScript or VBScript, so it has its place as an entry level tool for writing indicators and trading systems.

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Postby aspTrader » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:21 pm

Regarding the choice of Delphi Script and then Borland Delphi itself...

Those new to NeoTicker will be startled to discover how simple it is to convert NeoTicker Delphi Scripts to the Borland Delphi IDE for compilation as DLLs.

I'm probably not alone in haven't felt that ramping up on NeoTicker is a large enough task and doesn't need to be complicated by learning to use Borland Delphi itself at the same time.

But when you're ready to do the move to using the Borland IDE it's simple to do so.

It turned out that my son was interested in learning a bit about Borland Delphi at the same time I was so I was able to purchase the IDE for him at the academic price here:

http://www.genesis-technologies.com/keyresults.asp?keyword=delphi&search.x=22&search.y=11

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Postby michal.kreslik » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:13 pm

aspTrader wrote:Michal,

Congratulations on taking a decision to control your future!

You're better than I... It took me 3 months to commit to doing NeoTicker after first getting clear that it was superior to Tradestation.



aspTrader,

thanks, but I'm not better than you. I'm just the man of the action. I'm the "burn-the-bridges" type of guy.

When I see I am doing something wrong, I can't do it wrong any more since I regret every second doing what's not in my best conscience.

Michal

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Postby blr121970 » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:43 pm

I only trade the CME eMinis.

I have a few concerns w.r.t NT:

1. Unlike TS, NT does not allow multiple instances of the software - because of the hardware dongle.
I really like TS in this respect: that I can use it at home, at the office or during a business visit to a far off place.
All I need is a computer with internet access. My ELDs are on a public ftp site that I can access at any time.

2. I am extremely worried about data providers. I really don't want to deal with eSignal - esp. after hearing a lot of complaints on elite-trader.
And this at a cost of $180 p.m. Also esignal does not seem to have support for certain symbols like the put-call ratio.
This may not be an issue for Forex traders since NT can connect to some/most providers.
I know NT can interact with IB - but I'd rather not deal with that data.

Do other Futures traders think the same? Your comments are welcome.

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