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Postby TheRumpledOne » Fri May 14, 2010 10:42 pm

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Postby IN-XS » Sat May 15, 2010 11:19 am

Hi Tro,

Is there any points of interest you have noticed when using this histogram?

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Postby TheRumpledOne » Sat May 15, 2010 9:53 pm

Using the first histogram, you can see the peaks and when price may turn. But you have to confirm on higher timeframes.

I don't see anything with the overlay/stacking
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Postby SignalBender » Tue May 18, 2010 7:05 pm

Missed Monday due to constant fatigue. Energy levels have been low lately. Probably need another vacation - coming soon. Also, dealing with an illness in the family as well - mentally and emotionally exhausting for me.
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ALL:

This is one (1) Indicator within a system containing more than 750 inputs and that now produces more than 150 signals - and that is just the 30,000 foot view. So, don't read too much into just one (1) contributor to a much larger Engine.

The Fundamentals of Delta Trading:

I am what I call a Delta Trader.

Don't bother looking it up - there is another company out there on the net using the same term "Delta" but the two ideas are not even remotely the same. I coined the term, first - therefore, though I have no legal claim to the name (and don't plan to obtain one) - history shows me that I don't see the concept used the way I use it now. You can also refer to me as a Spatial Trader - or - Vacuum Trader, it is all the same idea.

The first and most important concept that I learned years ago, was the concept of: Magnitude. A non-directional concept (has nothing to do with the direction of "Price") and a Scalar Quantity. For those of you familiar with basic High School Physics, you will note the classical definition of Scalar. The closets calculation (very similar calculation) is ATR (Average True Range), though not identical. The Indicator name that I use to describe the markets magnitude is called, Omega. So, whenever you see me referring to the Omega of a Pair, you know I am referring to its Magnitude (or, think ATR if you like).

In my system, there are three (3) Delta concepts. Omega is one type of delta concept. Both Trajectories (TCD-Long and TCD-Short) are also delta concepts. Omega is an Internal Delta between two data points, while a Trajectory is a Contiguous Delta of two adjoining Bars of data between two or more data points. The other category is called the Non-Contiguous Delta, which relates one or more data points across multiple (disconnected or non-adjoining) Bars of data. Thus, the system's most basic calculations are intra-bar (internal deltas), inter-adjoining-bars (contiguous deltas) and inter-non-adjoining-bars (non-contiguous deltas). These are the fundamental sources of calculable data that exist within the system AND that are taken directly from the real market. All other calculated data within the system is Meta, or that which is derived from the output (results) of the fundamental sources of calculated data - not from the real market itself.

Omega, is everything. There is no price action outside of Omega - the market cannot exist outside of Omega. Omega marks the Absolute Value High and the Absolute Value Low for any time-interval, right down to the Tick Spread. So, the ultimate representation of Omega is in fact, the Spread between the bid and the ask. However, Omega only consists of data points within the same bar.


The Fundamentals of Trajectories:

To better understand why it is important to know this, consider or imagine a brick in your hand. What's truly in your hand? What you have in your hand are a countless number of atoms, each having a closely related set of high probability electron patterns that are very hard to break down, in essence. The force that binds the electron in orbit around it's nucleus in a probabilistic pattern sufficient to give the brick its physical/structural consistency, is what we observe as being real -or- reality - a real Brick. However, the brick exhibits another "reality."

The brick in your hand is also a form of Energy, as each orbiting electron is composed of even smaller particles and each of them composed of even smaller particles - right down to the very essence of the composition of Matter itself - until we reach the point of both Matter and Anti-Matter (some will say: Particle and Anti-Particle). Sir. Albert Einstein, in the most eloquent way humanly possible to date, expressed the nature of Energy in a very eloquent statement that read: Energy was directly proportional to mass multiplied by the velocity squared. Or, more well known as: E~MC2. Similarly, all price action (Energy) can be described as Omega (Mass), in the absolute. That which is in orbit about the center of Omega are two (2) elements that I call: Trajectories (TCD-Long and TCD-Short). You can think of them the same way you do orbiting electrons about the nucleus of an atom, as their combined orbital patterns are what give the market its Structure and Price, its Stability. Thus, the Energy (Magnitude) of the market can be thought of as being directly proportional to the product of its Mass (Omega) and the Speed of its two Primary Trajectories squared. Or, Volatility ~ Omega X ((Dominant TCD) - (Subordinate TCD))[squared].


The Value in Understanding Basic TCD Trajectories:

These Indicators (Omega, TCD-Long and TCD-Short), if viewed correctly, shows the literal DNA signature of the market for the Bar it represents.

There is no price action that exists outside of the parameters of these three (3) primary Indicators. All price action, price behavior and all other derived Indicators (CCI, RSI, Stoch, ADX, etc., etc., etc.), including all market reaction to News and Economic Events/Reports; all of them - are encapsulated within Omega, TCD-Long and TCD-Short. The simplicity of that is staggering, as most people consider the markets to be hyper-complex and virtually unintelligible. So the very first thing to understand is that "Price" (what mot people call Price) exists within this composite representation of Energy, Mass and Velocity -which I have converted to Omega, TCD-Long and TCD-Short. In Excel, I use the line graph for the data representing TCD-Long and TCD-Short. Both of these two (2) Indicators (TCD-Long and TCD-Short) are what I call: Trajectories - a fundamental component and concept in the way I trade.

The value of the TCD is readily apparent, after one understands what the TCD means. The TCD, being a Contiguous Delta calculation, always relates the Current to the Previous (Current High - Previous Low) and (Current Low - Previous High). Whereas, Omega, being an Internal Delta, relates the Current to the Current (Current High - Current Low, averaged over N periods ago). So, it takes a minimum of two (2) Bars of data to form the TCD-Long and the TCD-Short, whereas it only takes one (1) Bar of data to derive the Omega (Magnitude). Thus, all Price action flows from Omega -but- is fully contained and fully defined within the TCDs.

This leads to two (2) important facts about TCDs. One will always be Dominant while the other is Subordinate. This defines market direction at any time. There can be no better "Trend Indicator" than the cumulative or aggregate definition of price direction given by the TCDs. If the TCD-Long is Dominant (has the larger value), then the market in that time-frame is Long by definition. Of the TCD-Short is Dominant (has the larger value), then the market in that time-frame is Short by definition. There can be no other mathematical definition for market direction outside of that which constitutes market direction AND market direction cannot be defined outside of TCD-Long and TCD-Short, as no new high or low can ever be established without a corresponding growth or contraction in either TCD-Long and/or TCD-Short, based on their fundamental and contiguous calculable data points. In other words, the "Trend" is composed of "Trajectories."

So, if you ever want to know what the "real direction" of the market is at any time - first note that there are as many markets as there are Time-Intervals. Then, simply note which TCD value is Dominant (larger) for that specific time-interval. What people call the "Trend," is nothing more than one TCD dominating within particular time-interval. However, that same TCD may not be Dominant in other time-intervals. There is always a constant shifting and re-ordering taking place among the TCD-Long and TCD-Short, in some time-interval (market) somewhere. Therefore, the superior question to ask is not how is "Price" trending, rather which market (time-interval) is emerging as Dominant and what impact will that particular market have in markets (time-intervals) in its Past and in its Future.

Without having a fundamental understanding of the above, it will be very difficult to "see" any of the worth or value in a trading system that establishes the Delta between multiple price points as the reason for being in the market in the first place. No Delta = No Trade. Where the objective is to enter the market in the direction (Long or Short) where the Historical Delta has a high probability for being maintained. Which explains why sometimes, certain Fibonacci Retracements never happen. Or, why some Elliot Waves, never unfold. Or, why some Bollinger Bands get stretched seemingly forever. Or, why some Oscillator based indicators get pegged and seem to never want to come down. Or, why the ADX never seems to want to uncross or cross itself. Or, or, or, or, or.... Somewhere in all of that, there is a very strong Dominant TCD unwilling to unlock itself. But, when it does, the Market panics, and either irrational buying or selling takes place with fear and trembling. Noting happens outside of Omega and TCD.

Just by knowing about the existence of the TCD and how it works, you can start asking the market specific questions about Timing and Synchronicity, that most other Traders are totally oblivious too. You cannot trade what you cannot see. Those who can't see the TCD, cannot trade it on purpose - though many do by mistake, completely unaware of what they are trading in actuality - or why they are trading it.


Recap:

Omega: High - Low, for X periods of Bars ago.
TCD-Long: Current High - Previous Low, for X periods of Bars ago.
TCD-Short: Current Low - Previous High, for X periods of Bars ago.
(Synchronize all values of "X.")

Delta: The mathematical differential between one or more data points that are either Internal (inside the same Bar); Contiguous (inside adjoining Bars); or Non-Contiguous (across multiple non-adjoining Bars).

For the manual Trader - the way you visually present these three Indicators on your screen, can be just as important as the indicators themselves. Often times with Delta based trading, the visual representation speaks volumes about what to do "next" in the market.

The right Delta creates opportunity. Not all Deltas are optimal for trading. The next thing to learn is how to recognize executable (trade worthy) Deltas. Pick the grapes before their time and the Wine will be sour. Pick the grapes at precisely the right moment and you can't help but produce a quality varietal, good with most any meal. The same holds true for Delta picking and part of the secret is to look inside all Time-Intervals for synchronicity and optimal timing.

Ok, that's enough fundamental stuff for one day. I need to get something to eat and then get back to work.
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TRO: thanks for the explanation on the Histograms.

I'm going to have to download and install the Histogram that places the TCD-Short on the Red side (below zero) and the TCD-Long on the Green side (above zero) and then see if I can spot any Histo-Bars that are all one-sided (either all Green or all Red) with no price action being represented in the Subordinate TCD. In the one that I have, there are many instances of the Dominant TCD showing its color, while the Subordinate TCD never appears in the Histo-Bar.

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Postby SignalBender » Tue May 18, 2010 7:37 pm

forexjake80 wrote:total bar size would be:

(High[i+1]-Low[i]) + (High[i]-Low[i+1])



Hello Jake,

Not sure what is meant by "total" bar size, in relation to the TCD concept? Help.


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Thank you for the reply....


IN-XS wrote:Whatever you choose to show us I for one would be very grateful, you can never have enough knowledge.....


TygerKrane wrote:Glad you're sticking around!


roger_over wrote:Signalblender,Thanks for sticking around and sharing your knowledge here ,.....



And, thank you all, too. I appreciate the considerate demeanor. Like I said, I'm looking for a coder, but one with the ability to get up to speed on the fundamentals of Delta based trading and my primary indicators, so that coding them the way I need to see them on screen, won't be a problem. In the meantime, I'll try to talk about some of the things that I can talk about, when I have time (energy levels been low lately - I need to start working out again on a consistent basis). The last post deals with the fundamentals of three baseline indicators in the system.

I'm still not sure just how far I can go in transforming my system into a full MQL EA, but that is what I need to find out. I'm still looking at the TCD Indicators that TRO put together for me and noting synergy with other things when I see it. To the trained eye, there is a ton of information in the TCD line graph and histogram alone, so I'm trying to focus on one thing at a time.

Heck, the relationship between any generic moving average of price and the TCD line and histogram indicators, are enough to keep me busy for a while. In the lower time-intervals, I get to see detail that I was not able to see in the higher time-intervals, so that is what I need to fully hammer out at this point - which takes time, because any trade logic that comes from this must be precise. I'm not in favor of losing money unless I have no better alternative for the trade. A system this big, will have countless permutations and opportunities to follow-up on when seeing the indicators in the lower-time intervals.

I'm actually seeing 1 Minute Chart sub-systems pop-up right before my eyes when I combine the TCDs with things like a hyper fast DPO, as just one example. There is more here than one brain can handle at one time, which is why I need to flush out the optimal patterns. With the lower time-interval indicators, the biggest question seems to be how many pips I should target, as opposed to worrying about stops. I like to optimize everything I do, so this could take a while given the layers of detail.

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Postby SignalBender » Tue May 18, 2010 7:55 pm

TheRumpledOne wrote:The TRO_SignalBender indicator (histogram version) attached. You can't just switch from line to histogram because.. the values will plot on top of each other thus one may hide the other. So I use H - PL and L - PH.


Got it - downloaded it and installed it - but Indicator Window (separate) still shows all histo-bars above zero line. Not sure why.

Also, I just noticed that in this pic you put up, there are Blue lines representing TCD-Long (whereas mine are Green). However, I'm seeing this for the first time, as on my screen, the pic does not show the Blue color well enough against the black screen. So, that makes it even more bizarre. Your pic shows TCD-Long above the zero line and TCD-Short below the zero line, yet the file that I downloaded from page four (4) places all histo-bars above the zero line, both TCD-Long and TCD-Short. Somewhat odd.

TheRumpledOne wrote:The other indicators will become part of the 2010 donational package once completed.


Not quite sure what this means, other than the fact that you are currently working on some of your own indicators and will make them available when done? Or, are you referring to the TCD indicators?

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Postby SignalBender » Tue May 18, 2010 8:06 pm

bredin wrote:
SignalBender wrote:TRO,

Last five (5) bars here all have some Short side activity, but the Histogram does not show it. I know this Histo is Stacked and yours is Distributed across the zero line. Did I miss something on the revision from Lined to Stacked?

Let me just restate that I'd like to study both (all above zero and both straddling zero), if there is a way to present them correctly.

SignalBender


The issue with MT4 is simply that is IS showing the red histogram, but it is drawing it FIRST, then painting the green histogram over the top. If the grren bars are bigger than the red ones then the red will be hidden from view.
This is a limitation of MT4, and there is no way to ensure that both get displayed on a positive chart.

edit: i take it back, I thought of a way, but its a bit of a kludge: use a third buffer which only has non-zero values if red<green....

you could display one or the other as the negative value (x = 0-x). which would come out more like TRO's histo.

edit: lots of guys have suggested this, so I'll go back to shutting up

G.



Thanks for explaining. Is that a known limitation of MT4, or is this something you just found out? Confirmed with MetaQuotes, yes - no? Just curious.

So, I can see resolving this (if there is a known limitation) a couple of ways:

1) Get MT4 to paint the indicator windows with both values (TCD-Long and TD-Short) above the zero line AND simultaneously side-by-side. Thus, each pair of TCD Histo-Bars would represent a single candle in MT4. Probably not going to happen as MT4 seems to paint the indicator data directly in the vertical line as the candle bar itself. However, seeing them side-by-side for each bar, might prove interesting to analyze.

2) Finding a way to get MT4 to paint (simultaneously) BOTH TCD-Long and TCD-Short above the zero line, instead of hiding one over the other based on their respective values. Pretty obvious, but I thought I would point that out.

I think I just saw someone put up a pic where they got the Green and Red histo-bars to show above and below respectively - need to check that out.

Thanks for the explanation.

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Postby gfg1 » Tue May 18, 2010 8:19 pm

signal bender, TRO made you two indis. The one on the attached chart is: TRO_SignalBender.

He also made oyu a TRO_SignalBenderHistogram.

You probably need to go back through the thread to find them.

SignalBender wrote:
bredin wrote:
SignalBender wrote:TRO,

Last five (5) bars here all have some Short side activity, but the Histogram does not show it. I know this Histo is Stacked and yours is Distributed across the zero line. Did I miss something on the revision from Lined to Stacked?

Let me just restate that I'd like to study both (all above zero and both straddling zero), if there is a way to present them correctly.

SignalBender


The issue with MT4 is simply that is IS showing the red histogram, but it is drawing it FIRST, then painting the green histogram over the top. If the grren bars are bigger than the red ones then the red will be hidden from view.
This is a limitation of MT4, and there is no way to ensure that both get displayed on a positive chart.

edit: i take it back, I thought of a way, but its a bit of a kludge: use a third buffer which only has non-zero values if red<green....

you could display one or the other as the negative value (x = 0-x). which would come out more like TRO's histo.

edit: lots of guys have suggested this, so I'll go back to shutting up

G.



Thanks for explaining. Is that a known limitation of MT4, or is this something you just found out? Confirmed with MetaQuotes, yes - no? Just curious.

So, I can see resolving this (if there is a known limitation) a couple of ways:

1) Get MT4 to paint the indicator windows with both values (TCD-Long and TD-Short) above the zero line AND simultaneously side-by-side. Thus, each pair of TCD Histo-Bars would represent a single candle in MT4. Probably not going to happen as MT4 seems to paint the indicator data directly in the vertical line as the candle bar itself. However, seeing them side-by-side for each bar, might prove interesting to analyze.

2) Finding a way to get MT4 to paint (simultaneously) BOTH TCD-Long and TCD-Short above the zero line, instead of hiding one over the other based on their respective values. Pretty obvious, but I thought I would point that out.

I think I just saw someone put up a pic where they got the Green and Red histo-bars to show above and below respectively - need to check that out.

Thanks for the explanation.
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Postby SignalBender » Tue May 18, 2010 8:23 pm

noushina wrote:Is this what you guys were trying to do with the histogram.


Yes!

For some really odd reason, I had it working in my MT4 client and now it won't paint the screen with histo-bars below zero anymore - and I'm using the exact same file. Very bizarre behavior for MT4.

I'll try to make the changes you've posted here with edits to the one TRO posted and see if that works.

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Postby SignalBender » Tue May 18, 2010 8:31 pm

gfg1 wrote:signal bender, TRO made you two indis. The one on the attached chart is: TRO_SignalBender.


That's what I thought and that is the problem. When I download, place, compile and then insert that indicator into an MT4 chart, it paints everything above the zero line. It does not look like yours. I thought that was odd.

gfg1 wrote:He also made oyu a TRO_SignalBenderHistogram.


Which also plots everything above zero - again, rather odd behavior from MT4, when it was working just last Friday.

gfg1 wrote:You probably need to go back through the thread to find them.


I've got them all, they just appear to be doing the exact same thing - and doing it all above zero. Again, rather odd. I will delete all TRO based indicators from the MT4 indicator folder and then download them from scratch to see if this fixes the problem. I'll also restart MT4 itself before doing the above.

Thanks again - but this has entered the Twilight Zone.

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