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Re: Re:

Postby aliassmith » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:01 am

prochargedmopar wrote:
prochargedmopar wrote:LOSER'S UNITED TRADING MANIFESTO

Ok folks, Here is how you become a winner.
1) You MUST trick your brain to start (Next step #2 is what will FIX you over time).
2) The key is to make your profitable trades EXPONENTIALLY bigger than your losing trades.

I know right off the bat that bredin will look at this and be saying "That's too much work!" ;)
but I don't think he or M.O. understand the depth or your PAIN like I do. Regardless of where it has it's roots whether it was your parents, relatives, teachers, society..........


Look closely at #2.
Think about that s**t. I've spent 3 yrs doing just the opposite. And I've done it in the worst way. I've doubled, quadrupled and "sextupled" (what's 10x? LOL) my losses by moving stops and adding lot value.

Making losing bigger doesn't have to be so blatant either. It can be disguised in many ways by doing things such as using bigger stops than tp's, taking partial profits, not hitting your target for what ever reason(and these are endless). Even something as simple as risking the exact same % of your account on each trade. Doing the math using this advice makes your winners smaller than losers when comparing each on a $ to $ basis.
LUNACY.

It's time to "flip a dick" (as my first wife would say when wanting you to do a U-turn) boys........and girls.
I've known and felt first hand the inadequacies of a losing trader and it ain't pretty.

WE MUST LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD!!!
FIRST we will start with the most INEFFICIENT way to do it only Because I KNOW you can't/will NOT take the easier route. Later we will show a way that those a little more stable can use.
The 3rd and final installment has already been laid out before you on these boards but it's ONLY after you fix yourself through success begetting success that you will be able to see the light.

Now, lets be clear, this is NOT a method or system post.
What you use DOES NOT MATTER.
It can be something as simple as TRO's Rat trading Method.
God forbid, but you can even use a squiggly crossover, price retest as entry.
Or maybe you want to get fancy and use the fibo tool with an oscillator.

SYSTEM DOES NOT MATTER

This is all about making your winners BIGGER than your losers by way of using PROFITS to increase your odd's of success.
The words that have haunted me for almost 3 yrs. by M.O.

YOUR LOSSES WILL CAUSE YOU GREAT LAUGHTER.............

When and only when this is true will you be able to STOP trading on emotion.
Keep in mind the 1st and 2nd examples do NOT incorporate space increases as I know your NOT psychologically capable of doing so JUST YET.

Let me show you how to do it using the WORST CASE SCENARIO.

10 stop/5 pip take profit.
keep in mind using a stop this small is just nuts in the fx market even though TRO swears by it. (and I use too :) )

We'll start by risking 2% of account as stated to do by all the pundits. Keep in mind the more you risk at the start the less chances you have to be wrong before account is blown. MORE importantly though the bigger you start the risk % the LESS of an opportunity you have to exponentially increase your winners compared to your losers because of your limited margin availability.

WHAT EVER YOU ARE RISKING YOU ARE RISKING. M.O.

This statement is nothing more than saying if you sit down at a poker table with $20 to risk, and you find you have $44 sitting on the table in front of you in chips, you are still only risking $20 if it all vaporizes. But you now have some wiggle room to INCREASE your PROFIT POTENTIAL all the while risking ONLY what you sat down with to risk. ($20)

Remember, the goal of a scalper is to use MAX lot value in relation to margin available to grow their account as fast as possible, they can hear the first $million calling their name....hehehe

$400 account/2% risk per entry. repeat. PER ENTRY
10 stop/5 pip take profit.

Some fail to realize just how important a trade is that was not immediately wrong. M.O.

Grab 5 pips 3x and what do we have? What is your goal?
400x.02=$8 risk. 0.80 per pip.
Gain on 1st trade is 1% or $4 of equity side of ledger.

Yes, I hear you say that is lunacy BUT you do it ALL THE TIME!!!! Don't LIE.

$8+$4=$12 to risk. (risk side of ledger)
$12/10 pip stop gives a new lot value of $1.20
This is a 50% increase in lot value risking ONLY 2% of what you sat down with to trade.

2nd trade you grab 5 pips again. Gain $6
You are now up 2.5% on original account balance risking ONLY 2% of original account balance.
$8+$4+$6=$18 on risk side of ledger.

$18/10 = $1.80 per pip.
YOU ARE NOW VERY CLOSE TO MAXED OUT LOT SIZE USING THE $410 IN YOUR ACCOUNT WITH A 10 PIP STOP. Is this not the goal of a "scalper"?

But you say, NO WAY am I going to use $1.80 a pip with that account.
On your THIRD trade you will have the opportunity to make $9 risking ONLY $8 to do it.
You are now trading slightly above 1:1 profit potential with a 10 stop and 5 tp.
Think about this, on your first trade you were willing to take 0.5:1 reward to risk.
Are you lying to yourself again???? You do it ALL the time!!
You were willing to RISK much more compared to your profit potential, though be it limited by only your own psychology, to make a paltry 0.5:1. And now your telling me you UNWILLING to take a trade making more than your risk?

Pull the friggin' handle already will you..........Your very close to having the market by the balls instead of getting it in the Arse.

BAM, +5
Ok, that's $9 gained.
In this 3 trade sequence your up $4+$6+$9= $19 OR 4.75% on a $400 account!!!! Max risk was $8 or 2%

Are you feeling LUCKY? Do you want to take a 4th trade TODAY???
8+4+6+9=$27 to risk or $2.70 per PIP..but, but, we cant do $2.70 per pip on a $419 account with 50:1 margin....Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Does this mean we have got to use $1.90 per pip with margin to the MAX and NOT risk a single Penney of our own hard earned cash......
Does this mean if we make it to take a 4th trade that we will be trading RISK FREE???
WTF?

MightyOne Wrote:
I know it doesn't make sense:
I tell you to risk little and then I have you risk all of your profit.
I tell you how to trade against people holding onto profit and then turn around and suggest that you hold onto yours.
This is a completely different set of psychological edges we are dealing with.
You are offering your profits while others are "protecting" them.
You are investing in your future while they are living for today.


We win.
$9.5 +9+6+4=$28.5 OR 7.13% account increase.
What if that being you were trading risk free you grew some balls and held for 10 pips, OR the market just "spiked" in your favor????
$19+9+6+4=$38 is 9.5% increase for the day 4 trades taking ONLY 1/2 your stop as profits.....well, at least until you had balls to play. :)

But, but, I can hear you now, what if we lost any of the first 3 trades in this sequence?
YOU LOST 2% of your account.
And what if we lost the 4th?
YOU LOST NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Do you NOT see the power from both a psychological and monetary standpoint of segregating in your mind what is yours and what is not????

This is the most extreme case for the most psychologically damaged and impaired traders.

Try this with a 15 stop/10 tp.
Maybe your more healthy than I and can actually hit your stop size as a target?

It's simply Insanity if you run the #'s with a 1.5:1 profit/loss ratio.
YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO INCREASE SPACE TO ALLOW FOR LESS STRESSFUL TRADING ENTRIES AND A HIGHER WIN % UNTIL YOU REALISE IT IS POSSIBLE THAT YOUR WINNERS CAN BE BIGGER THAN YOUR LOSERS.
You must "fix" yourself first though.

$100 gained risking nothing is worth more than $100 gained risking every thing!
Some times less is more... M.O.


EVERYONE right now go back and look at your results from the last week or month of trading.

Simply run the #'s. Using the exact same stop/tp that you are using in the live markets.
Post your results here:
Where would your account be in contrast?

Imagine LIFE if your ONLY problem was how much profit to take?(paraphrased from M.O.)


In the next post I'll show how to do this in a much more SANE manner.
10 stop/5 tp is truly luniacal (new word) but hey, we've gotta work with what we got?



"Cant get chicken salad out of chicken s**t" as my dad likes to say!!!!!!


2yrs. ago


Knowing what I know now about new traders. Having a system that depends on them
winning 3 or more trades in a row is troublesome. In addition having them risk 2% on
initial trades is suicidal. 1% is better and may still be to high for "loser" traders.

Until someone is showing they can be profitable risking less than 1% I wouldn't increase
size...period.

Start by having a profitable month at low risk then prove you can do it again. If successful
raise your risk up some such as 0.3% up to 0.5% and prove you can be successful in a 3 month
period. If all is well move up to .75% and stay there for awhile and assess you ability at this new
level.

How would that work in the "PROWorld"?
0.3% to make 0.15%
0.45% to make 0.22%
0.675% to make 0.3375%
1.012% to make 0.506%
So about 1.21% profit

At this rate, being a scalper as Pro suggested you can make a few HUNDRED% in a year with low risk.
Personally I wouldn't risk 10 pips to make 5 pips on a continuous basis, its best used to grab some
space at best.
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Re: ProchargedMopar's Trading Trilogy

Postby aliassmith » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:03 am

prochargedmopar wrote:
aliassmith wrote:
prochargedmopar wrote:3:1 Challenge on this thread.
They use it for practicing their method.

Practice hell, if they can do that why not start making some REAL $$?? hahah

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread. ... ost7968838


so you did read my posts


Just read the ones in your thread, now reading the mozone guys thread.
Space"balls" has been around a few years.
My version of "space" as I NEVER thought I'd be able to trade space with big swings, add, or get 3:1.
I now believe I CAN, and I AM.
It's good to see that your applying it.
At least somebody here can.


Two things revolutionized my trading
#1 profits are zeroed out
#2 OPM/Aggressive pushing

And you are correct it has been a few years since I posted it.
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Re: ProchargedMopar's Trading Trilogy

Postby prochargedmopar » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:22 am

Wow,
EU weekly untested level is still a ways down.

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Postby prochargedmopar » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:29 am

I'm sure M.O. beat us both to the punch as he posted this in March 2009.
He actually posted other versions well before and were stating the same thing.
LOL

prochargedmopar wrote:A much read, underlined, and highlighted yet long lost quote by Mightyone. 3/2009
I present to you THE Trading Bible!

MightyOne wrote:Prices rise and fall by HUNDREDS of pips every day and some how most
every one cannot figure out how to make even 1% per day.

I just dont get it, I really don't :?

So I am going to lay out the frame work for profiting in a such a way
that can be accomplished by anyone:

1. Which way is price likely to move in the long term (more on this later).

2. How small can I make my stops (you would be surprised)

3. Risking 1% per trade/chart enter with the momentum of the small time frame.

4. Exit all when you feel that price is likely to reverse and add that profit to your SL amount less commission.

EXAMPLE: 10 pips = 1%: You make 15 pips on a short and exit as the market starts to reverse. The next trade you risk your initial 10 + the 15 gained from shorting less 1 pip for commission to re enter.

5. Price starts heading in the long term direction and again you get an entry to short on your small TF. You short with your 25 pip stop and the market starts stalling at +7 so you exit (you are at +32).

Price retraces 45 pips and you believe price is again heading south so you short again on you small TF with a 31 pip stop.

7. YOU CAN ONLY EXIT WHILE IN PROFIT OR GET STOPPED OUT!

Price retraces 27 pips and then turns around and plummets 74 pips.

What time frame are your trading? What does that chart look like?
How many bars has it been since you first started shorting?

Trade NO MORE THAN 2 bars of any time frame!

8. You either reach your goal and make 7, 15, 26, 52, or 80%+ on your account or you lose 1%.

By reinvesting profit, having an unwillingness to let price trade to your stop while you are were profit at some point, and by sticking to a goal knowing that PRICE DOES MOVE HUNDREDS OF PIPS EVERY DAY (just about) then you will reach the goals you set out to attain and your losses
will cause you great laughter!!
Think and grow rich PRO :wink:
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Postby prochargedmopar » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:50 am

Hmmmmm,
Trading skills of the Pro Jan. 2010
Beginners luck. LOL

prochargedmopar wrote:Only way it will change is if there is a deletion of lines, squiggly or other, NOT an addition.

Last 10 days of trading log.

Actual starting balance 598.50
Default Bal. 47.00 - Target 460.10

Day/Date/pips/P-L/Bal/lot size

1-4th +52 $8.00 - 55.00 (2)
2-5 +32 $6.70 - 60.96 (3)
3-6 +50 $9.00 - 69.96 (3)
4-7 +32 $6.38 - 76.34 (3)
5-8 +18 $5.49 - 81.83 (3)
6-11 +41 $7.30 - 89.13 (3)
7-12 +22 $9.19 - 98.32 (4)
8-13 +18 $7.04 - $105.36 (4)
9-14 +19 $7.20 - $112.56 (4+)
10-15 +22 $8.80 - $121.36 (4)

Doubled money in 10 days.

My money management trading plan: "Pro's 20 pips to $Freedom$"

For the impatient the first 2-3 levels will be the hard part, after that the ball starts to ROLL.

Starting balance based on increments of 3.
$30.00, $300.00, ect

First Go round is using 10 cent pips to prove to yourself and to build confidence that you can succeed in your quest for freedom. A Dry Run.

New balance/Lot size/Daily profit/ # of days trading
Phase 1:

$30 - 10cents - $2per day - 15 days
$62 - 20 -$4 - 8
$92 - 30 - $6 - 5
$124 - 40 - $8 - 4
$154 - 50 - $10 - 3
$178 - 60 - $12 - 2
$234 - 70 - $14 - 2
$262 - 80 - $16 - 2
$294 - 90 - $18 - 2
$330 - $1 - $20 -2
$370 - $1.10 - $22 - 1
$392 -$1.20 - $24 - 2
$440 - $1.30 - $26 -1
$466 - $1.40- $28 - 1
$494 - $.50 - $30 - Time to go to FREEDOM Level

Start with $494 and use $2 pips!!!
Do it all over again but move Decimal one place to right..

Phase 2:

$494 - $2 - $40per day 3 days
$614 - $3 - $60 5
$914 - $4 - $80 4
$1234 - $5 - $100 3
$1534 - $6 - $120 2
$1774 - $7 - $140 2
$2054 - $8 - $160 2
$2374 - $9 - $180 1
$2554 - $10 -$200 2
$2954 - $11 - $220 2
$3394 - $12 - $240 1
$3634 - $13 - $260 1
$3894 - $14 - $280 2
$4454 - $15 - $300 PER DAY INCOME!!!

You add up the days....

20 pips a day baby.......I won't write up Phase 3 BUT.

START WITH $20 PIPS...... and finish with $3000 a day income...HEHEHEHE
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Postby prochargedmopar » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:00 am

4 yrs ago.
Inssane

prochargedmopar wrote:1 more day to complete first cycle of plan. (about 16 pips)

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Here is a sign of things to come.
You think I held...nope. Was short e/j full positions from 83 and again at 80 after push back up.
It dropped 90 pips shortly there after.

Hmmmmmmmmm

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Default start Bal. 47.00 - Target 460.10

Day#/Date/pips/P-L/Balance/lot size

1-4 +52 $8.00 Bal. 55.00 (2)
2-5 +32 $6.70 $60.96 (3)
3-6 +50 $9.00 $69.96 (3)
4-7 +32 $6.38 $76.34 (3)
5-8 +18 $5.49 $81.83 (3)
6-11 +41 $7.30 $89.13 (3)
7-12 +22 $9.19 $98.32 (4)
8-13 +18 $7.04 $105.36 (4)
9-14 +19 $7.20 $112.56 (4+)
10-15 +22 $8.80 $121.36 (4)
11-18 +22 $10.88 $132.24 (5)
12-19 +21 $10.60 $142.84 (5)
13-20 +16 $8.12 $150.96 (5)
14-21 +22 $13.72 $164.68 (6)
15-22 +19 $11.42 $176.10 (6)
16-25 +22 $14.42 $190.52 (6&7)
17-26 +45 $30.43 $220.95 (7+)
18-27 +6 $4.06 $225.01 (7+)
19-28 +14 $9.02 $234.03 (7)
20-29 +22 $17.10 $251.13 [8]
21-1 +16 $13.17 $264.30 [8]
22-2 +15 $13.59 $277.89 (9)
23-3 -24 $-21.22 $256.67 (9)
24-4 +18 $16.25 $272.92 (9)
25-5 +26 $23.21 $296.13 (9)
26-8 +18 $18.48 $314.16 (10)
27-9 +25 $25.59 $339.75 (10+)
28-10 +19 $21.70 $361.45 (11)
29-11 +20 $23.98 $385.32 (12)
30-12 +44 $53.45 $438.77 (13)
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Re: Re:

Postby aliassmith » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:05 am

prochargedmopar wrote:I'm sure M.O. beat us both to the punch as he posted this in March 2009.
He actually posted other versions well before and were stating the same thing.
LOL


One of his biggest things was "scalping" for pips to add to his stoploss not necessarily
for adding size. I don't remember if he was calling it the "shield" yet then later he
discussed size and the sword. Regardless I did developed aggressive pushing from his
teachings.

I'm not sure why you post at FF anyways, if they want to learn the can come here.
FF don't love you like we do. :)
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Re: Re:

Postby aliassmith » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:13 am

prochargedmopar wrote:4 yrs ago.
Inssane

prochargedmopar wrote:1 more day to complete first cycle of plan. (about 16 pips)

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Here is a sign of things to come.
You think I held...nope. Was short e/j full positions from 83 and again at 80 after push back up.
It dropped 90 pips shortly there after.

Hmmmmmmmmm

Image

Have a good weekend.

Default start Bal. 47.00 - Target 460.10

Day#/Date/pips/P-L/Balance/lot size

1-4 +52 $8.00 Bal. 55.00 (2)
2-5 +32 $6.70 $60.96 (3)
3-6 +50 $9.00 $69.96 (3)
4-7 +32 $6.38 $76.34 (3)
5-8 +18 $5.49 $81.83 (3)
6-11 +41 $7.30 $89.13 (3)
7-12 +22 $9.19 $98.32 (4)
8-13 +18 $7.04 $105.36 (4)
9-14 +19 $7.20 $112.56 (4+)
10-15 +22 $8.80 $121.36 (4)
11-18 +22 $10.88 $132.24 (5)
12-19 +21 $10.60 $142.84 (5)
13-20 +16 $8.12 $150.96 (5)
14-21 +22 $13.72 $164.68 (6)
15-22 +19 $11.42 $176.10 (6)
16-25 +22 $14.42 $190.52 (6&7)
17-26 +45 $30.43 $220.95 (7+)
18-27 +6 $4.06 $225.01 (7+)
19-28 +14 $9.02 $234.03 (7)
20-29 +22 $17.10 $251.13 [8]
21-1 +16 $13.17 $264.30 [8]
22-2 +15 $13.59 $277.89 (9)
23-3 -24 $-21.22 $256.67 (9)
24-4 +18 $16.25 $272.92 (9)
25-5 +26 $23.21 $296.13 (9)
26-8 +18 $18.48 $314.16 (10)
27-9 +25 $25.59 $339.75 (10+)
28-10 +19 $21.70 $361.45 (11)
29-11 +20 $23.98 $385.32 (12)
30-12 +44 $53.45 $438.77 (13)


Just a friendly idea...take all the time factors out of your "space balls".
When you miss a deadline you will have brain cells explode in your skull
and there is no telling what will happen after that.

I suggest letting it happen naturally...no per day talk.
When I make x pips(percent) I go to the next phase.
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Re: ProchargedMopar's Trading Trilogy

Postby prochargedmopar » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:58 pm

Forex tester 2 takes out the time factor and trading becomes very easy.

The market moves so damn slow it gives huge amounts of time to *censored - swear word* things up.

Oh. And real $$ doesn't help matters.

Not that money is actually real but at least it buys s**t.
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Re: ProchargedMopar's Trading Trilogy

Postby prochargedmopar » Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:23 pm

M.O. wrote sometime in history:

A solid plan of attack contains an exit strategy that makes sense when you look at the risk vs reward ratio or a strong technical reason that you are wrong (not the small jiggle of orders being filled).

You cannot protect open profit and expect to make a lot of money; either take a profit or take a loss.

You have to understand that you will be alright if you lose, but you will not be alright if you do not let yourself win.

Success is a waiting game:

WAIT, take a trade, WAIT, reduce risk, WAIT, exit.

From the time you enter to the time you exit manually should not be less than 20 minutes.

If you are not in most of your trades for longer than 20 minutes then you are just trading scared and fear does not make money.
................................................................
Play safe with your money

Gamble when in significant profit.

You could increase your account by 20% in less than 1 week and then risk upwards of 20% (100 pips) on the 4 hour chart.

While 15% risk is insane so is 20%+ profit per trade

Just remember that you are risking 2% until you are up by x% and then are risking most of x% to drown in profit.

I only deposit up to 30% of what I have to risk so my heart is never coming out of my chest on any trade.
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