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Postby cfabian » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:57 pm

Hey Lukx,
Let's hear the pros answer this, but in my opinion if you consider taking these trades, will be in shorter time frames aiming the line at 50% of previous momo bars, only if you get a short momentum in your smaller TF.

However, overall, why you want to consider trading short in H4 when momentum is upwards as well as held profit???? I would target 152.00 on the GBPJPY. Trading short in these setups are riskier.

That's my take on this, however I'm in the same process as you.

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lukx wrote:and another question.... we should be aiming for bigger gaps between opposite MightyZOnes right?
So in picture below Left short trade is better than Right one?

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Postby cfabian » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:18 pm

Currently in this short trade. Covered with a SL at +1.

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Postby PTG » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:21 pm

cfabian wrote:Hey Lukx,
Let's hear the pros answer this, but in my opinion if you consider taking these trades, will be in shorter time frames aiming the line at 50% of previous momo bars, only if you get a short momentum in your smaller TF.

However, overall, why you want to consider trading short in H4 when momentum is upwards as well as held profit???? I would target 152.00 on the GBPJPY. Trading short in these setups are riskier.

That's my take on this, however I'm in the same process as you.

Cheers
lukx wrote:and another question.... we should be aiming for bigger gaps between opposite MightyZOnes right?
So in picture below Left short trade is better than Right one?


On GJ I see that on H1 the H4 MZ has been wicked twice, where the latter one was lower.

Also I see that GJ on D1 is in a downtrend in an overall uptrend. For that downtrend to turn around, I would expect at least one more low at or above todays low.

Another thing: it is clear on H1 that it takes more time for it to go up than to go down. That tells me there are more sellers in the market.

So: I would short the little bugger :lol:

Hope this makes sense, going through the process myself as well :shock:
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Postby cfabian » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:58 pm

Ok, back from lunch and the trade did hit my SL.

Well, as I saw price stalling in my entry area and some increasing momo in M5, I based my entry on that time frame (first image).

I also based that entry on a H1 ZL (also attached). There were much more held profit to the upside. At the end I'm with +1 after being +21.

I should have taken profit when those M5 candles started to increase momo to the upside... but wasn't around.


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Heres how H1 looks like
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cfabian wrote:Currently in this short trade. Covered with a SL at +1.

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Postby aliassmith » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:00 pm

I have an OOPS for ya.

Tried playing a gap as MOMO and it was not very fruitful.\
My entry was at the green price tag for a short and my
exit was the red price tag for a loss.

Turns out there was a nice MOMO entry short a little while after :roll:
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Postby dragon33 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:40 pm

lukx wrote:Master dragon33 I got small question...
In this case for example:
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Are you waiting for 4H to close and then if it will got long MZ you will look for 15M to hit ZL or you would already entered here while 4H was still in progress?

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Please do not call me master! I'm just a guy like you and everybody else on this board.
I target near the zone area. After target i wait and see which way momo builds up! Nothing fancy just momo. If i have time the i trade the M15 momo if not i wait for the big ones.
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Postby dragon33 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:45 pm

lukx wrote:and another question.... we should be aiming for bigger gaps between opposite MightyZOnes right?
So in picture below Left short trade is better than Right one?

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You just trade what you see. If you see an opportunity which is worth to be traded then you wait for the momo and trade it. If the opportunity is too small then you search on other charts or you go do something else.
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Postby es/pip » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:01 am

cfabian wrote:Hey Lukx,
Let's hear the pros answer this, but in my opinion if you consider taking these trades, will be in shorter time frames aiming the line at 50% of previous momo bars, only if you get a short momentum in your smaller TF.

However, overall, why you want to consider trading short in H4 when momentum is upwards as well as held profit???? I would target 152.00 on the GBPJPY. Trading short in these setups are riskier.

That's my take on this, however I'm in the same process as you.

Cheers



i will let dragon answer the other post since it is directed to him


this is just what i do---- it may not work for you--hell it may not even be what u are supposed to do.

remember---------------------------------

a true zl trade happens on consecutive bars----- so i am more willing to just get in on those.

the ones that happen that are not on consecutive bars are treated like a s/r trade and you trade away from the area

on these---

i am little more hesitant to place bids or offers---- but sometimes i do-----most times i don't --- when i am coming into a zl that happened over multiple bars i want to see some new momentum inside that time frame and trade it off that,

So what the above means is

i am coming into a larger time frame s/r based on a zl or mz. I dial down to see what is going on inside. I want to see momo increasing to show me the way. I am then watching the PA on the inside time frame to tell me whether it is going to work or not----- i have no problem closing the trade if i see something i do not like and just getting back in when things turn back to the way i want.

i look at that scenario the same as cfabian was saying--- on the ej

you have an h4 big down momo

then you have what looks like an increase in momo on the h4(based on the previous bar) but it is right back into the larger down momo so i would still be thinking short--------- however, sometimes i will play it long off that bar depending on whatever makes me make my decisions-------majority of the times i am treating it like i said above looking short.

i didnt even make a trade in the ej in the US session today--- i was short near the asian session start. made my pips on that and the euro and pound long before the US open---- you can see them on the h1 charts after coming into h4 support


i know a lot of people are looking for a do this when this happens and do that when that happens type of answers---

it doesn't work that way

it is discretionary












lukx wrote:and another question.... we should be aiming for bigger gaps between opposite MightyZOnes right?
So in picture below Left short trade is better than Right one?

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Postby es/pip » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:06 am

cfabian wrote:Hey Lukx,
Let's hear the pros answer this, but in my opinion if you consider taking these trades, will be in shorter time frames aiming the line at 50% of previous momo bars, only if you get a short momentum in your smaller TF.

However, overall, why you want to consider trading short in H4 when momentum is upwards as well as held profit???? I would target 152.00 on the GBPJPY. Trading short in these setups are riskier.

That's my take on this, however I'm in the same process as you.

Cheers




lukx wrote:and another question.... we should be aiming for bigger gaps between opposite MightyZOnes right?
So in picture below Left short trade is better than Right one?

Image


i will let dragon answer the other post since it is directed to him


this is just what i do---- it may not work for you--hell it may not even be what u are supposed to do.

remember---------------------------------

a true zl trade happens on consecutive bars----- so i am more willing to just get in on those.

the ones that happen that are not on consecutive bars are treated like a s/r trade and you trade away from the area

on these---

i am little more hesitant to place bids or offers---- but sometimes i do-----most times i don't --- when i am coming into a zl that happened over multiple bars i want to see some new momentum inside that time frame and trade it off that,

So what the above means is

i am coming into a larger time frame s/r based on a zl or mz. I dial down to see what is going on inside. I want to see momo increasing to show me the way. I am then watching the PA on the inside time frame to tell me whether it is going to work or not----- i have no problem closing the trade if i see something i do not like and just getting back in when things turn back to the way i want.

i look at that scenario the same as cfabian was saying--- on the ej

you have an h4 big down momo

then you have what looks like an increase in momo on the h4(based on the previous bar) but it is right back into the larger down momo so i would still be thinking short--------- however, sometimes i will play it long off that bar depending on whatever makes me make my decisions-------majority of the times i am treating it like i said above looking short.

i didnt even make a trade in the ej in the US session today--- i was short near the asian session start. made my pips on that and the euro and pound long before the US open---- you can see them on the h1 charts after coming into h4 support


i know a lot of people are looking for a do this when this happens and do that when that happens type of answers---

it doesn't work that way

it is discretionary
Bend over and assume the position for another 4 years of hope and change.

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Postby es/pip » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:36 am

es/pip wrote:
cfabian wrote:Hey Lukx,
Let's hear the pros answer this, but in my opinion if you consider taking these trades, will be in shorter time frames aiming the line at 50% of previous momo bars, only if you get a short momentum in your smaller TF.

However, overall, why you want to consider trading short in H4 when momentum is upwards as well as held profit???? I would target 152.00 on the GBPJPY. Trading short in these setups are riskier.

That's my take on this, however I'm in the same process as you.

Cheers




lukx wrote:and another question.... we should be aiming for bigger gaps between opposite MightyZOnes right?
So in picture below Left short trade is better than Right one?

Image


i will let dragon answer the other post since it is directed to him


this is just what i do---- it may not work for you--hell it may not even be what u are supposed to do.

remember---------------------------------

a true zl trade happens on consecutive bars----- so i am more willing to just get in on those.

the ones that happen that are not on consecutive bars are treated like a s/r trade and you trade away from the area

on these---

i am little more hesitant to place bids or offers---- but sometimes i do-----most times i don't --- when i am coming into a zl that happened over multiple bars i want to see some new momentum inside that time frame and trade it off that,

So what the above means is

i am coming into a larger time frame s/r based on a zl or mz. I dial down to see what is going on inside. I want to see momo increasing to show me the way. I am then watching the PA on the inside time frame to tell me whether it is going to work or not----- i have no problem closing the trade if i see something i do not like and just getting back in when things turn back to the way i want.

i look at that scenario the same as cfabian was saying--- on the ej

you have an h4 big down momo

then you have what looks like an increase in momo on the h4(based on the previous bar) but it is right back into the larger down momo so i would still be thinking short--------- however, sometimes i will play it long off that bar depending on whatever makes me make my decisions-------majority of the times i am treating it like i said above looking short.

i didnt even make a trade in the ej in the US session today--- i was short near the asian session start. made my pips on that and the euro and pound long before the US open---- you can see them on the h1 charts after coming into h4 support


i know a lot of people are looking for a do this when this happens and do that when that happens type of answers---

it doesn't work that way

it is discretionary


lol and after saying all that above about the ej sometimes i scrap all of it and just do what the market is doing

traded it short twice at be and then took it long


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