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Postby prochargedmopar » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:01 pm

MightyOne wrote:The question was whether or not it is possible to trade the momo bar (event) and not get burnt.

If you read a few posts back where I described the actions traders should take if they want to be more than mediocre then you would know that we are waiting for MOVEMENT ie MOMENTUM.

So if you are waiting for momentum and momentum is defined by a CLOSED body then how do you trade the soon to be momentum candle?

1. LUCK
2. Momentum of a smaller time frame and holding until the longer term close.

What usually happens after momentum?

Traders are sitting with profit.

What usually happens when traders are sitting with a profit?

Do you really need to know anything else?

Position in the longer term picture would be nice!

Can you trade chart formations, breakouts, congestion, and trends?

Of course you can...

But that is not what I am talking about here.

To recap:

1. I am a postmomentum trader
2. postmomentum traders wait for movement as a sign of both activity and held profits.
3. We can trade in either direction AFTER movement
4. Our only tools are movement, support, resistance, & retracement.

PS: If you are talented enough to trade without market movement then by all means ;)



prochargedmopar wrote:
MightyOne wrote: So is it possible to trade the event and not get burnt?

Thanks for your help.

Lis


A short term trade would have to turn into a larger move and longer term trade.

Retreat prior to a correction and then enter in the previous direction.

Trading is a delicate balance between short term momentum and long term position.


TRO's said it before.

#1New high/low (breakout)
#2Reversal from (correction)
#3Consolidaton (my addition)
#4Return to New high/low (main trend)

Is there anything else a market can do? reallly?
I think there are tallented individuals that trade them ALL


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Postby monolisa » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:37 pm

Hi MO,

Are you able to comment on this please? Much appreciated.

Thanks.

Lis

monolisa wrote:Hi MO,

So if we trade the event, then we could enter a position when there's a breakout (momentum) and exit/re-enter based on the price action (correction/real move) of higher TF chart? Also, what do you mean by "long term position"?

On the other hand, if we trade like you (postmomentum trader) then we can enter either at the beginning of the correction or the real move, or both. In a nut shell, movement/momo gives you the signal, and using support and resistance (defined by the mighty zone and highest high/lowest low of the momentum) you are able to identiy the correction and the real move (both are retracements).

Thanks.

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Postby MightyOne » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:26 am

A breakout in not an indication of momentum...

If there is one thing that is critical to your success is the ability to let go.
You shouldn't be twitchy to catch a move right from the beginning.

What do I mean by long term position?

Well that takes us right back to the talks of daily bar and greater extremes.




monolisa wrote:Hi MO,

Are you able to comment on this please? Much appreciated.

Thanks.

Lis

monolisa wrote:Hi MO,

So if we trade the event, then we could enter a position when there's a breakout (momentum) and exit/re-enter based on the price action (correction/real move) of higher TF chart? Also, what do you mean by "long term position"?

On the other hand, if we trade like you (postmomentum trader) then we can enter either at the beginning of the correction or the real move, or both. In a nut shell, movement/momo gives you the signal, and using support and resistance (defined by the mighty zone and highest high/lowest low of the momentum) you are able to identiy the correction and the real move (both are retracements).

Thanks.

Lis

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Postby monolisa » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:20 am

Hi MO,

So a breakout is not indication of momentum, what indicates momentum? I presume it's the body size of the candle.

Learn to be patience and wait till momentum eventuates, then get in. Is it the key?

Thanks MO.


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Postby prochargedmopar » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:02 am

monolisa wrote:Hi MO,

So a breakout is not indication of momentum, what indicates momentum? I presume it's the body size of the candle.

Learn to be patience and wait till momentum eventuates, then get in. Is it the key?

Thanks MO.


Lis


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It's a B but must be studied.

Breakouts can be heaven and they can also be hell.
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Postby es/pip » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:47 am

monolisa wrote:Hi MO,

So a breakout is not indication of momentum, what indicates momentum? I presume it's the body size of the candle.

Learn to be patience and wait till momentum eventuates, then get in. Is it the key?

Thanks MO.


Lis


yes body size of candles

what does bar # 1 2 and 3 tell you in the following pic?

answer like this

bar number 1 tells me.....................

bar #2 tells me ..............

etc
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Postby monolisa » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:22 am

Thanks, es/pip. Crystal clear.

By the way, if you look at the 3rd candle after the "3" bull candle it was a bearish momentum candle. The next candle was bull but weak, and the one after was bear but even weaker. Given the easing momentum and the price was close to H4 mighty zone target the prospect of going downward would be much less. It's time to wait for another momentum candle.

Is it how you would look at it, es/pip?

THanks.

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Postby Fxtraveller » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:18 am

Hi.

I dumped all indicators but dynamic fibs, and watch M5/M15 zoomed out....My trading instantly got better.
I actually started seeing ranging/trending/breakout markets.... wow :)

Where can I learn more about Z lines and how to draw them correctly, etc...? which thread is best? if this one, around what page? It has SO many pages, its unreal, but best thread on the site.
Any suggestion or direction to it would greatly be appreciated.
I feel releaved no that I started to trade without any indicators.

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Postby monolisa » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:30 am

Indeed, Fxtraveller. Able to read price action and its action through time is enough to give you the edge in trading. But first of all you need to SEE (which you already have) before you can READ and UNDERSTAND.

I will leave zline advice to the zline experts :)

Good luck to your trading.

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Postby koolbreeze » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:16 pm

Fxtraveller,
This thread is the one for ZL info. (MO, thanks for your insight) I believe you will see Mo's posts start about page 138.

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