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Postby dragon33 » Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:58 pm

cfabian wrote:Not sure about that, H1 momo up is where our fibs are located. Also consider this post what I believe is "similar":

http://kreslik.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=44519#44519



lukx wrote:yep... I think our mistake was not waiting for 1h momo up from 4h mz and pullback to this 1h momo mz...


Nope not similar!!!

When reaching a zone YOU ONLY GET A GO WHEN YOU CAN DRAW ZEROLINES!!!!

So where are the lines on your M15. There is no M15 BO so there is no M15 zl possible. See the difference
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Postby cfabian » Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:05 pm

TRO, you're damn quick.

TheRumpledOne wrote:
dragon33 wrote:
rushN4 wrote:
dragon33 wrote:Image



Thanks dragon for showing us new stuff... :D do you always draw in this lines? or is it just for explanation? to show us....


I only draw them when they fall of my screen. It is just something to consider and for learning purposal about support and resistance.

If you know these points then you can almost predict if it is worth taking a trade or not.

If you can choose to take a trade now with a possibility of 20 pips or just wait till you get the RIGHT opportunity to make about 100 what would you do!!!

I guess i know.

Well those lines can give you that edge you need.


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Postby cfabian » Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:43 pm

Dragon, I believe to have a confusion here...

That marked candle in my post was considered as it wicked the H1 zone and closed out of it, creating a bullish "reversal candle". That zone also coincided with a H1 ZL. I entered at the break of it. Long term trend has been bullish as well.

What you do is entering at the break of high/low of confirming M15 candle, right (rat entry)?

When you say "YOU ONLY GET A GO WHEN YOU CAN DRAW M15 ZL", it makes me believe you enter on the retrace to the break out point, and not as a rat.

In addition, when looking back at the linked example, I do not see a ZL on M15 that is wicked back, what suggests the entry is at the break and not at a retrace. So to me, the only difference would be the equal sized candles.

Not sure if I'm expressing this correctly. Hopefully I am.

Maybe yes it was just a losing trade when our edge indicated the opposite.

Thanks for your help.



dragon33 wrote:
cfabian wrote:Not sure about that, H1 momo up is where our fibs are located. Also consider this post what I believe is "similar":

http://kreslik.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=44519#44519



lukx wrote:yep... I think our mistake was not waiting for 1h momo up from 4h mz and pullback to this 1h momo mz...


Nope not similar!!!

When reaching a zone YOU ONLY GET A GO WHEN YOU CAN DRAW ZEROLINES!!!!

So where are the lines on your M15. There is no M15 BO so there is no M15 zl possible. See the difference
WILL GET MY MONEY BACK FROM THOSE BASTARDS, AND I MEAN IT !!!!!

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Postby cfabian » Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:50 pm

What would be the problem? I had a good month over july. Increased my account by 50% in 2 weeks. I felt you guys should know how.... like if finally everything aligned up.... but s**t, last week and today had been terrible and lost all my profits. Have to start building up again.

Damn, what is it that makes you blind??????
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Postby bredin » Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:39 am

cfabian,
its called a 'sudden attack of retardataion' :)

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Postby pablo101 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:59 am

flex wrote:what is so bad about posting losers. i am here to learn. i'm relatively new to dragon's style of trading, ok, but after months and months of trying and losing trades in rat reversals i figured, well, maybe that just is not for me. so i wanted to do something different. zlines make much more sense to me, but forgive me if i post stupid trades. i'm here to learn and i think there are many ppl reading this thread and not posting a single chart doing the exact same thing.


Hi Flex, it wasn't my intention rag anyone, of course post your losers, no problem. These bunch of guys on kreslik are the best trading mentors you'll ever find anywhere and I stake my life on that, seriously.

What I wanted to say is Dragon H4 momo trade away is not a 'system' and you have to discretionary when taking a trade like you did. You could have paid attention to the HTF and also the tight range you were in, tricky to trade I reckon. It would have been better to WAIT ...

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Postby aliassmith » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:15 am

cfabian wrote:What would be the problem? I had a good month over july. Increased my account by 50% in 2 weeks. I felt you guys should know how.... like if finally everything aligned up.... but s**t, last week and today had been terrible and lost all my profits. Have to start building up again.

Damn, what is it that makes you blind??????


Most likely it is some psychological aspect. Such as over confident, greed,
fear of losing the profit, this can cause you to change what you do. I went
through a phase where I wouldn't take profits where I would in the past.

Something caused me to do something different. I know ES/PIP went
through a spell as well. It happens and you have to work through it, not
circumvent it.
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Postby pablo101 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:14 am

jarnapal wrote:
cfabian wrote:I do believe so, let's see if someone gives us some feedback. Now price is stalling and most likely will go in our direction, but with our money already.

lukx wrote:to sum up : we were in 4h mz + even 1h mz, price got rejected form this 50% zone (wick) we took rat entry and got spanked... maybe we did everything right and it was just loosing trade ...


Lukx and cfabian.

I talked about that situation in previous lukx reply. I also would be glad to see what dragon says but I think it's just about waiting till the move is done.

Look for the difference whats in red and yellow boxes.
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Great example of what to look/wait for :smt033

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Postby dragon33 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:55 am

cfabian wrote:Dragon, I believe to have a confusion here...

That marked candle in my post was considered as it wicked the H1 zone and closed out of it, creating a bullish "reversal candle". That zone also coincided with a H1 ZL. I entered at the break of it. Long term trend has been bullish as well.

What you do is entering at the break of high/low of confirming M15 candle, right (rat entry)?

When you say "YOU ONLY GET A GO WHEN YOU CAN DRAW M15 ZL", it makes me believe you enter on the retrace to the break out point, and not as a rat.

In addition, when looking back at the linked example, I do not see a ZL on M15 that is wicked back, what suggests the entry is at the break and not at a retrace. So to me, the only difference would be the equal sized candles.

Not sure if I'm expressing this correctly. Hopefully I am.

Maybe yes it was just a losing trade when our edge indicated the opposite.

Thanks for your help.



dragon33 wrote:
cfabian wrote:Not sure about that, H1 momo up is where our fibs are located. Also consider this post what I believe is "similar":

http://kreslik.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=44519#44519



lukx wrote:yep... I think our mistake was not waiting for 1h momo up from 4h mz and pullback to this 1h momo mz...


Nope not similar!!!

When reaching a zone YOU ONLY GET A GO WHEN YOU CAN DRAW ZEROLINES!!!!

So where are the lines on your M15. There is no M15 BO so there is no M15 zl possible. See the difference


No confusion at all

1 picture: You are trading with zl behind you, with H1 right color and at least the possibility to trade back into previous H4.

2 picture: You are trading without zl, against H1 and against H4 that's a big difference.

Trading against the colors is only possible when you are at extremes and when the trade is confirmed by zl on lower frames (i prefer M15)
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Postby lukx » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:27 am

AHA!

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