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Postby spa » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:38 pm

Fxtraveller wrote:I start to believe that the conversation is starting to focus on sema's, which is yet another indicator that may be useless if zlines are not properly traded. Dragon may use them as a 'cherry on top' of all he already can, but maybe we should stick to the basics for a while , the actual Zline and why it the moves happen when they happen. otherwise our concetration will divert to purely semas.

just my two pips.

you're right and focus should not divert, on the other hand i find myself every day missing what could be great trades just because that 1-2 (momentum-retrace) move on the smaller timeframes(5 min) doesn't happen..
look at today's GBPUSD it peaked at a 4h and daily ZL and moved lower without ever showing that elusive PA i was expecting

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Postby dragon33 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:40 pm

Fxtraveller wrote:I start to believe that the conversation is starting to focus on sema's, which is yet another indicator that may be useless if zlines are not properly traded. Dragon may use them as a 'cherry on top' of all he already can, but maybe we should stick to the basics for a while , the actual Zline and why it the moves happen when they happen. otherwise our concetration will divert to purely semas.

just my two pips.


Most people do not get it! We are still focusing on the zerolines or mightyzones, call it like you want. The sema's are just there to give newbies an entrypoint and SLpoint. A lot of people still enter there trades @ the zerolines instead of waiting and see what happens next.

My failure % was dramatic decreased after i started using the semas instead of pushing the button when price is @ the zero.
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Postby dragon33 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:46 pm

adaseb wrote:Was this trade taken because it was in an old MZ or that the (1) appeared?

The MZ looks like all the held long profits were already wicked out so I don't know if its still valid.

I am talking about the MZ created on Jan 18th , not the most recent one.


dragon33 wrote:
rushN4 wrote:
dragon33 wrote:
IN-XS wrote:Dragon, when you say, trade in one direction. How do you mean, is this with the direction of the 4H sema or 15M? Is it only from 3 to 3 sema or do the 1 & 2's count aswell? Sorry if this is a stupid qusetion I would just like to clarify. Thanks in advance!


Just any H4 sema number will do it.



Hello Dragon i have some questions that really bother me.


you wrote you trade in the direction of the 4H semafor.

must the 4h candle with the semafor be closed befor you start to trade away from it?

or do you trade away from it without a closed 4H candle when a 4H ZL and a 4H Semafor match?

you wrote my entrys are almost with the same color as H1.

does this mean you entry is most of the time at the beginning of a new opend 1H candle, and with the color of the new opend 1h candle?

or do you mean the entry is with the color of a 1H Stoppoint?


I know you dont have to help us, and im really thankful for what you have showed us.

hope you had a good trading day till now.

Jochen


Yes i would like to see the H4 close before moving. But when there is an opportunity you have to take it or leave it.
Here on the picture you can see the last number one is telling you to trade up.

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But on the M15 you can see that the trade is available while the H4 isn't closed yet. This is observations. When you switch the H4 to the daily you can see that the number one is right at the 50% area of previous daily candle. So yes that's opportunity for me.

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I didn't take that trade! It was just for illustration to Jochen.
Yes all the held profit was wicked out ON THE SMALLER tmf's not on H4.
PA will decide if a trade is valid or not. This is trading anything can happen, you can not predict what is going to happen next.
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Postby dragon33 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:48 pm

rushN4 wrote:
dragon33 wrote:
rushN4 wrote:
dragon33 wrote:
IN-XS wrote:Dragon, when you say, trade in one direction. How do you mean, is this with the direction of the 4H sema or 15M? Is it only from 3 to 3 sema or do the 1 & 2's count aswell? Sorry if this is a stupid qusetion I would just like to clarify. Thanks in advance!


Just any H4 sema number will do it.



Ok thanks dragon for the sema answer,
i think i understand what you mean.

i think the following question answers my 1H question from my previous post.

Is this the correct entry candle and exit i marked on your Pic?..

it was with the 1H candle color at the beginnig of a new 1h Candle.

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thanks for help


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Postby pablo101 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:06 am

aliassmith wrote:
pablo101 wrote:Ahh yes, I've a question. looking at the overlays, it seems to me that some nice moves always comes at the end of the hour. Am I right to think that H1 traders are doing this?


I have observed increased activity at
:04
:09
:14
:19
:24
:29
:34
:39
:44
:49
:54
:59

At these minute marks of the hour. Probably people waiting for bars to
close for their timeframe.


Sorry aliassmith I don't understand. These are five minute traders so are you saying I read too much about the end of the hour.
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Postby pablo101 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:13 am

IN-XS wrote:Yeah I know, still learning to try and hold my trades, slowly getting better, but I still have to force myself. More experience required I think. It has been very quiet on here, except for you and I Pablo, where is everyone?


IN-XS, I think everyone is still sleeping, we're early posters :)
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Postby adaseb » Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:38 am

pablo101 wrote:
IN-XS wrote:Yeah I know, still learning to try and hold my trades, slowly getting better, but I still have to force myself. More experience required I think. It has been very quiet on here, except for you and I Pablo, where is everyone?


IN-XS, I think everyone is still sleeping, we're early posters :)


Yeah i am here too. Just waiting for the london open.

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Postby aliassmith » Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:27 am

pablo101 wrote:
aliassmith wrote:
pablo101 wrote:Ahh yes, I've a question. looking at the overlays, it seems to me that some nice moves always comes at the end of the hour. Am I right to think that H1 traders are doing this?


I have observed increased activity at
:04
:09
:14
:19
:24
:29
:34
:39
:44
:49
:54
:59

At these minute marks of the hour. Probably people waiting for bars to
close for their timeframe.


Sorry aliassmith I don't understand. These are five minute traders so are you saying I read too much about the end of the hour.


Sorry about that. I am saying that generally I see activity at those times
which correspond to the five minute timeframe. but as you can tell these
also correspond with the 15 minute, 30 minute and 1 hour.

Additioanlly there seems to be a lot of movement right after the new
hour starts.

Probably won't help in trading, It was only an observation I made.
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Postby adaseb » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:36 am

Been trying out the Dragon33 method

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Postby adaseb » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:45 am

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