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Postby 4x=0 » Mon May 07, 2007 11:20 pm

uhm. i think he was asking you a question d00d..


note: as you can tell from the time-stamps, i had to travel back in time to notify of you this edward. i hope you appreciate that.

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Postby eudamonia » Tue May 08, 2007 3:18 pm

Whoops! I must have misunderstood. You can ask Michal how to modify the settings, since I'm not sure how you would do it to work with the Russell since it's setup for FX.

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Postby Susana » Fri May 11, 2007 6:47 am

I agree with what some have said here. Buy Zone must be used in conjunction with S/R dots to make sure the area is "free" of bumps on the road so your scalp works smoothly.

What kind of risk vs reward are you guys using ?

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Postby eudamonia » Fri May 11, 2007 3:20 pm

I'm using a 5 tick target and a 7 tick stop. It's not perfect but seems to keep you in the best trades.

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Postby Razor » Fri May 11, 2007 5:21 pm

I got werk'd on the ER this morning, I guess I stopped and reversed too many times and ended up down 4 points ! There were some nice trades but it was so fast out there this morning.....back to the drawing board I guess...

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Postby eudamonia » Fri May 11, 2007 6:17 pm

Razor,

Don't get discouraged. This was a very tight morning. If you can practice trading on these tight consolidation mornings (where its easy to get in trouble) you'll eventually be able to make money even on the hard days.

There were a lot of trades this morning and several losers. However, there was the potential to make about 15 ticks this morning net (before lunch). Can you see where?

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Postby Razor » Fri May 11, 2007 7:44 pm

Hi Edward,

Thanks for the reply and support, appreciated :)

Yea, looking at the chart even 5 mins after my debacle this morning I could see how some pros probably made some nice loot. I think I had my stops too wide and also executed poorly during the whip of the back and forth. I am going to focus on .70 max stops and look to eek out the .50 gains unless I see clearly that mutliple tests of an area have failed but now are broken on a trade I am in thus ride the move longer. I know that it will take time to get the hang of this so should probably limit myself to a max 2.1 loss (3 trades at .70) per day for right now.

I would imagine that this is viewed as a more difficult day and not more than 3 - 6 days like this a month ?

Thanks again for the response :D

Have a nice weekend !
Ray

PS: IMHO, looking at the results from today if one took all the setups without any discretion and used +.50 gain and -.70 stops (also taking into consideration the dots for support and resistance) I would say it would have given one net -2.20 points. Course there will always have to be discretion and knowing when to take a trade and when to sit out so that is why you pulled out +1.50 and not -2.20 :D

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Postby TheRumpledOne » Fri May 11, 2007 8:25 pm

World Class card players do NOT play every hand. They play the hands that have the best chance of winning.

It's the same with trading. If you see the price making lower highs and lower lows, but it's in the LONG ZONE are you going to ENTER LONG or PASS?
IT'S NOT WHAT YOU TRADE, IT'S HOW YOU TRADE IT!

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Postby Razor » Fri May 11, 2007 8:33 pm

I hear ya G-money.......just need to iron out the kinks and get some more screen time experience with the BUUUUUYYYYYYYY ZOooooooneeesssss

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Postby eudamonia » Fri May 11, 2007 8:42 pm

Razor,

Another thing to keep in mind is that losing trades usually go nowhere for awhile. Don't wait. A good indicator is your 1 minute candles. For your long trades are the 1 min candles making new highs and higher lows (opposite on a short trade)? If not get out. Also the best trades happen in under 3 minutes - if it's been longer than that you need to get out. Don't sit around and let your 7 tick stop get hit. You can always get back in (and I usually will if price comes back to the entry). Remember, if it isn't going your way it's going to go the other way. Try to get out for a scratch or a small loss. This can improve your win/loss ratio tremendously IMHO.

Edward

P.S. I'd say days like this happen about once per week. Sometimes twice although that's rare. It is a good idea to get familiar with the early activity on these days - low volume and little directional interest. I can usually get a very good feel for what is going to happen that day in the first 15 minutes. This can really help you better assess the day.

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