Hot Webinar Aug 15 4 CT Ninjatrader on Zen-fire, every tick.

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Hot Webinar Aug 15 4 CT Ninjatrader on Zen-fire, every tick.

Postby Han » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:48 pm

I have no affiliation with Ninjatrader or Mirus Futures, but serious traders in the kreslik forum may want to check out this NinjaTrader/Mirus Futures zen-fire data feed introduction webinar today, Aug. 15 at 4:00 CT ( see http://www.mirusfutures.com for registration). I think I've discovered something valuable to any short term trader, especially counter trend traders and autosystem developers. Today I compared two Ninjatrader DOMs. One running on Mirus Futures Zen-Fire data, the other on Patsystem data. I immediately noticed when the Zen-Fire DOM came up that it seemed to be catching more ticks. It would sometimes flutter up and down faster than I'd ever observed on my Patsystem-driven Ninjatrader DOM. I left them both running and Patsystem crashed at least four times today while the Zen-Fire just kept tickin'. I parked two screens at right angles and watched the price action studiously until I was convinced that Ninjatrader on Patsystem drops ticks, lags, and sometimes doesn't even paint a change in price that Zen-fire flutters past and back as it picks up every tick.

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This week I stumbled across Pat and Eliot, the Co-founders of Mirus Futures and discovered that none other than Mathemagician John Joseph, who gave NeoTicker programmers a July 16 NeoTicker presentation on position sizing has chosen Mirus to trade his blackbox for clients through the Zen-Fire data server, which Mirus co owner Pat Shaughnessy help develop and was first to deploy to the retail market (It was designed for institutions.) I'm told they don't advertise to speak of. Wonder why? I'm guessing its because excellence sells itself. In anticipation of my tentative request to Pat or Eliot to give a presentation to our NeoTicker programmers group about why their co-location of servers by the Chicago exchange captures virtually every tick, and how its working with Ninjatrader, how much redundancy it provides, how to park our own computer boxes in their server room for virtually instant executions, and generally what kind of edge and support they can give graybox and blackbox system developers (and discretionary traders who don't like their system to lag or crash in a fast market), I though the rest of you might want to sit in on tomorrows webinar by Pat in cooperation with NinjaTrader, to get a preliminary orientation.

Han

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Postby michal.kreslik » Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:01 pm

If indeed it's true Mathemagician has chosen Mirus' Zen-Fire data server to trade his systems for clients, then it certainly is the best recommendation.

Unfortunately, I won't be available during the webinar time, could you please tell us more on the subject here on the forum?

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Postby Han » Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:18 pm

Michal,

I'll be glad to give you an update after the seminar co-sponsored by NinjaTrader and Mirus futures. the direct link is http://mirusfutures.com/ninja_signup.php

Here are the latest instructions to get into the hotcomm room

Go to www.MirusFutures.com and click on "Seminar Login". The password is "mirus".

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Follow up to Mirus/Ninjatrader webinar about Zen-fire

Postby Han » Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:42 am

Eliot, Co-owner of Mirus, after pointing out that in addition to Zen-fire's easily observable superior tick-capturing speed, observed that an unseen strength is redundancy and extensibility of servers to easily add to their computer rack so bandwidth is never overloaded. Quoting Mirus "There are no monthly charges for the data feed. They are included in the cost of your commission with Mirus... We came out of beta last February."
A webinar guest named "mr" asked "we want to build our own .NET interface that will interact with your 'backend' trading system which will bypass your 'auto trader' or 'ninja trader' and Ray from Ninjatrader answered:

[04:31:24--NinjaTrader] mr, NinjaTrader is the interface for ZenFire
[04:31:33--NinjaTrader] if you want to build your own .NET application
[04:31:27--mr] ok
[04:31:45--NinjaTrader] you can contact us about using our core development framework.

However, when mr asked for specific contact info both Ray, giving sales@ninjatrader.com and Pat of Mirus responded. Pat said "you can contact me directly at 312-423-2231" so perhaps, since Pat was involved in the creation of Zen-fire, there may be a way. If so I'm hoping NeoTicker will somehow create a datafeed interface to Zen-fire so NeoTicker users could enjoy complete high speed data delivery to their NeoT system as well as execute orders from it through NinjaTrader running on zen-fire data. It would be the ultimate high-speed, stable execution chain. Ray of Ninjatrader fame did say there are 20 or so trade objects in Ninjatrader that are common to NeoTickers tradeobjects.

I asked:
[04:31:41--Han] Any possibility we could replace esignal or DTN data for our trading development platform data, as well as getting zen-fire trading data through Ninjatrader?

The answer was negative for now. :cry:

When Luke (Neo T user) asked what it cost to place a computer in Mirus's data center for instant autoexecution, Eliot referred Luke to his co-partner Pat, who handles the more technical part of their business. They didn't say on the webinar but I think Pat told me last week something like $200 per month and their people would of course reboot it if it went down.

The rest was a Ninjatrader demo, indicating a new version will be released in Nov or Dec that has a complete system development, backtesting, and optimization engine and that trader's will be able to trade directly from a chart.

Conclusion:
As a NeoTicker user I propose that other NeoTicker users, and the kreslik group interested in NeoTicker appeal to NeoTicker to negotiate a API with Mirus for a NeoTicker Zen-fire data feed. Today the ACV of five level II levels on the offer side hit 35,000 on the Ninjatrader/zen-fire superdom! With that kind of institutional activity I'm convinced I need the raw tick driving power of zen-fire for the platform on which I develop my trading system. Tradestation is not likely to do it but if we pushed for it to happen in NeoTicker we could have the kind of stable tick-precise connection NeoTicker is capable of capitalizing on, with a reliable avenue for blackbox development. :idea:

Han

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