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Postby TheRumpledOne » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:50 pm

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Don't know how long it will last. If I post a chart of one of my THANK YOU indicators, then I will get banned for commercial spamming. newdigital just won't open his eyes. Ego is in the way.
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Postby TheRumpledOne » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:23 pm

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TheRumpledOne talking - forum rules

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I am NOT happy at all.

1) I had 2 different people sign up and NO WHERE WERE THERE ANY RULES OTHER THAN THIS:

HERE ARE THE FOREX-TSD RULES

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These are the rules you see when you register.

WHAT RULE DID I VIOLATE?

2) We searched the forum for rules and guess what, none can be found!

3) Newdigital quoted me out of context:

QUOTING OUT OF CONTEXT!!

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...Sometimes, they have to buy it.

One more time:

- if you are not selling so please post your indicators for free on our forum and stop to collect money from the members.

- if you are selling so please follow the rules of our forum concerning evaluation thread - ask someone to evaluate your indicators. Ask Kreslik ... Why not? But, please, on our forum in evaluation section. It is not difficult at all. Nothing wrong with selling as many members are selling;

- we do not have any rules for donational threads and for coders who are giving the gifts to the members for money in the way as "give me money and I will give you my free indicator". So, please stop this subject by yourself. Otherwise I will stop it by my way.

- we do not like promotional way you are using in your posts. Please, decide how many threads you need on our forum (2, or 5, or 10) and follow your own decision. Please, do not post images with kreslik liks to download on every thread of our forum. Usually we are banning the people for 1 week for that. And it is not the subject about you agree or not. It is the subject about you follow the rules or not.

- I explained to you by PM why some people got angry. You can agree with me or not - but I just explained to you: when admins/moderators are not taking quick actions on something so people will be angry. I think you understand it.

- if some guy said some bad words to you so you can invite this guy to Kreslik forum and you both can post as many flood and spam as you want. But, please, not on our forum.

- if you are on our forum so please follow our rules. Most of the rules were established by members by voting. Poll. Do not like our rules? Create the thread with poll to change the rules.

- I am very very tired to speak with you by PMs every day on the same subject. Some people still don't understand why I am speaking with you instead of simple banning for one week.

Language barrier ...
Do you understand my russian english?
Or you need translation?
I remember one case 5 years ago in some country when one person from New Zealand spoke with the other person from Chicago (English language) and they asked me to translate.

We are such a strange people on the forum that we understand any commercializing as a selling.

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Here's the entire message that I wrote:

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Quote:
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There is no language barrier. Maybe we don't have very explicit rules YET for every situation but we´re working on it.

Actually and as I posted somewhere, this kind of gift or donation does not fit with common accepted Forms of Software distribution.

Maybe, programmers should choose one as I did by Choosing Open Source and Freeware to avoid "gray areas".

In fact, tomorrow I could post some indicator and source code but by choosing another kind of license as Open Source + Proprietary Software. And due to that I can request money or sell my develop.

" Actually and as I posted somewhere, this kind of gift or donation does not fit with common accepted Forms of Software distribution."

Somebody has to be first...LOL!!

Seriously, I think people are missing the point... NO ONE IS ASKED TO MAKE A DONATION AND NO ONE IS REQUIRED TO GIVE A DONATION!

If they do so it is THEIR FREE WILL DECISION.

If someone sees something they want, then they do what is necessary to get it if they can:

Sometimes, it's free, so they take it.

Sometimes, they have to buy it.

Sometimes, they are required to do something to get it.

It is THAT SIMPLE.

Once again, thank you for letting me explain.

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It has a ENTIRELY different meaning when read in context.

In fact, here is the sentence that should have been quoted:

Sometimes, they are required to do something to get it.

4) It seems to me that some people get to post charts that have indicators that don't have the code attached and/or have NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD. But they were not BANNED.

So, I think the least you could do, Newdigital is post the forum rules so all may see them and then apply them even handedly.

5) The Buy Zone thread was supposed to be UNLOCKED and it hasn't been.

6) It seems that some people have a problem with my indicators and postings even when I post in threads that I start. Don't you have anything better to do with your time? There's pips you could be making instead of hassling me.

7) I don't have to SELL my indicators if I don't want to. I don't have to post them if I don't want to. I am free to make them available anyway I want. No one dictates how I release my code - NO ONE!

8) I have taken my time to post indicators, systems, and lend assistance on this forum and the thanks I got from the forum administrators was bannishment. That tells the story.\

9) Re: commercial advertisement
Don't complicate this subject. If you post an image with your digital compass indicator and if this indicator is commercial, or can not be download for free without your permission - you are commercial spammer and you must be banned without discusion.

Sorry. I don't want to speak with you anymore.
Follow the rules, or I will use power.

So according to this if someone posts an indicator on a chart, that cannot be downloaded for free they are spamming? Well then, it looks like many of the people posting are spammers.

I'll be happy to post links if you like. Here's one:

Multi Timeframe Indicators

There's a chart showing an indicator that in not posted. So will this person get banned, warned, or will nothing happen?
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TO BE CONTINUED.... (UNLESS, OF COURSE, I AM BANNED AGAIN)
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#2 (permalink) Today, 06:53 PM
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The fact is I didn't come to Forex-TSD looking for trouble.

But, when shoved, I shove back with all my might.

It just seems that some people don't like that my systems make money and my indicators are state-of-the-art. That's just too bad, get over it!

They don't like anyone stealing attention away. That's just too bad, get over it!

What's really funny is that I have only been coding in MT4 since December 2007. Just wait until I get really good at coding in MT4 then you are going to see some indicator presentations that will really blow you away.

But then again, you might not see them here because it seems if I show a chart with an indicator and I don't post the code then I am "spamming". To me, that is so weak it is not even funny. I guess the FORUM POLICE would rather you not see something. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!

" Ignorance Is Strength is the idea that by keeping the people ignorant, they will not realize what is really going on. The Party keeps The Outer Party ignorant by constantly changing The Truth, and destroying all data that could prove the situation otherwise. The Party keeps The Proles ignorant by keeping them content. They are allowed certain liberties like love, having a family, and sexual relations, frankly because they are considered stupid animals. They are of no menace to The Party because they are incapable of intelligent thought."
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Well, someone moved my posts but for some reason did NOT post the forum rules.

TO BE CONTINUED...
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#4 (permalink) Today, 07:19 PM
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Just moved your posts to this thread.

If you will promote your commercial indicators on many popular public threads of our forum once again - you will be banned once again. Because members are sending donation when they see something and can not download. And they see it because you posted images of your commercial indicators on many public threads of our forum and I got tried to delete those images from many many threads including my personal threads.
I know that you did it especially.


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I am NOT happy at all ...

You even can not imagine my feeling about it when I realized that you did it especially against us with fully professional way.

If you will do it once again - I will ban you permanently.


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Just moved your posts to this thread.

If you will promote your commercial indicators on many popular public threads of our forum once again - you will be banned once again. Because members are sending donation when they see something and can not download. And they see it because you posted images of your commercial indicators on many public threads of our forum and I got tried to delete those images from many many threads including my personal threads.
I know that you did it especially.



You even can not imagine my feeling about it when I realized that you did it especially against us with fully professional way.

If you will do it once again - I will ban you permanently.


They are not commercial indicators. How is that not clear to you guys. They are posted for free here and on other forums. I have seen other people bring many indicators from other places here and from here to other forums. And all for free. There is nothing different with TRO's work! Simply amazing that some people can be so blind!


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Just moved your posts to this thread.

If you will promote your commercial indicators on many popular public threads of our forum once again - you will be banned once again. Because members are sending donation when they see something and can not download. And they see it because you posted images of your commercial indicators on many public threads of our forum and I got tried to delete those images from many many threads including my personal threads.
I know that you did it especially.



You even can not imagine my feeling about it when I realized that you did it especially against us with fully professional way.

If you will do it once again - I will ban you permanently.

I don't plan on posting anything on FOREX-TSD until:

1) The rules are posted

2) The rules are applied evenly.

Newdigital, I have tried to explain it to you but you refuse to change your mind. So you threaten me and guess what, your readers suffer. You don't gain a thing. Isn't that obvious to you?

If I were selling indicators, then they would have a price attached to them. I would have a website where people could go to place orders. I don't have any of that. But you are being stubborn on this. I cause NO HARM to your forum or it's readers by posting charts of my indicators. People are making money because of my indicators and systems. Isn't that the desired end result?

Who or what is it that you think you are protecting by not permitting me to post a chart showing my indicators?

See, the problem is that your ego is in the way and you can't back down even though you know I am right.

Did it feel good to ban me? Was it a rush?

So what if someone sends me a donation because they appreciate the work that I do. That's between them and me.... it has NOTHING to do with YOU!

Everytime I see someone post an indicator and it doesn't have code attached, I'll let you know that someone is violating YOUR RULES. I just want to HELP YOU ENFORCE THE RULES. How's that sound?

Once again, WHERE ARE THE RULES?

TO BE CONTINUED.... (Unless I am banned)
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They are not commercial indicators. How is that not clear to you guys. They are posted for free here and on other forums. I have seen other people bring many indicators from other places here and from here to other forums. And all for free. There is nothing different with TRO's work! Simply amazing that some people can be so blind!

You are right, they are NOT commercial indicators. Some are free to download and others are sent out as a THANK YOU when someone makes a donation to my PayPal account.

For some reason, the thought of someone making a donation to my PayPal account really bothers newdigital. I don't understand why that is. There is more to this than meets the eye.

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Im still trying to find the forum rules.
Can anyone help?
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lol Im just trying to figure out the real idea here

"I wont sell you my indicator but if you donated then I'll give to you"

lol



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You are right, they are NOT commercial indicators. Some are free to download and others are sent out as a THANK YOU when someone makes a donation to my PayPal account.

For some reason, the thought of someone making a donation to my PayPal account really bothers newdigital. I don't understand why that is. There is more to this than meets the eye.

TO BE CONTINUED...(Unless I am banned)

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lol Im just trying to figure out the real idea here

"I wont sell you my indicator but if you donated then I'll give to you"

lol

Hi Claypot.

Here's what is going on.

I have posted dozens of free MT4 indicators. People have downloaded them. Some people send me a gift or donation to show their appreciation. If they do, then I send them some indicators, as a THANK YOU, that I haven't posted. It is that simple. NOTHING MYSTERIOUS AT ALL!

But some people are trying to make a FEDERAL CASE out of this. I have been called a scammer, spammer, troller, etc....

Funny thing is everyone who made a donation is more than happy with what they received.

This whole mess started over the BUY ZONE FOR DUMMIES INDICATOR. There is a FREE version of the Buy Zone that anyone can download. But I added a bell and a whistle, called it the BUY ZONE FOR DUMMIES INDICATOR and decided to send it out as a THANK YOU. Then the $%#@ hit the fan!

Seems like some people have nothing better to do than to inhiibiit, impede and/or impune the work of others. They don't contribute a dang thing.

What is really funny is, the BUY ZONE FOR DUMMIES INDICATOR is NOTHING compared to the TRO SAK MULTIPAIRS that I uploaded for FREE. But do I get any credit for that from the FORUM POLICE? NO!! Some people are just nitpickers and I guess nothing is ever going to change that.

See, no one is forced to make a donation. It is a matter of FREE CHOICE and FREE WILL. That may be a FOREIGN CONCEPT to some. I think people that show appreciation deserve something in return. What could possibly be wrong with that?

Thanks for asking, Claypot.

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Postby TheRumpledOne » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:25 pm

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One example.
I created RSI links thread. Many members posted many links and indicators. Thread is popular. In the end of the thread you posted the image with indicator. Indicator is not free one: members could not download indicator from our forum and could not from kreslik forum. Indicator is upon donation.

And 100 times like that on many many popular theads of our forum.

Why you are using the other people's work to make money?

If you will do it once again - I will ban you permanently from the forum.

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You created your signature instead of posting your message "go to kreslik forum and download my indicators". Before you posted this message everwhere.
Thank you very much for your co-operation. It was few days communication with you by PM and you did it.
Thanks you very much.

You created commercial thread on our forum. Because I asked you. Before you spreaded your commercial images all over the forum.
Thank you very much for your co-operation.

Can you do something more?
Please, please, do not post images of your commercial indicators everywhere on our public threads:
- don't post your commercial images on cja threads;
- don't post your commercial images on my threads;
- don't post your commercial images on other popular threads.

Can you do it?
Or it is too much already?

Because if you don't post your commercial images so members will not make donation. Want donations? You have commercial thread so you can post your images in commercial thread.
Can you do it? Or I need to communicate with you one more week by PM as usually? Or it is too much already?


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it has NOTHING to do with YOU!

I don't like when you are collecting money using your public threads which have nothing with you and your commercial indicators.

Just one small request: don't make commercial advertisements on our public threads. If you will do it - I will ban you permanently without any talking and discussion. Because I am fully sure that you did it especially against our forum.

The other request: please keep one thread for your free (really free) indicators TRO Indicators

One question: are you administrator on kreslik forum, right? Or moderator ... I think you are moderator there. Or administrator.
Because it is very funny: administrator of one forex forum is asking the administrator of the other forex forum about the rules of of the forex forum

That's enough from my side.

Sorry.

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"You have commercial thread so you can post your images in commercial thread."

So that means I am free to post whatever I want in the BUY ZONE commercial thread? Yes/No?

"I don't like when you are collecting money using your public threads which have nothing with you and your commercial indicators."

I don't like you calling my indicators commercial when in reality they are not.

"Why you are using the other people's work to make money?

If you will do it once again - I will ban you permanently from the forum."

What makes you think that I am making money from other people's work?

newdigital, does threatening to ban me make you feel important or powerful in front of your readers? How many times are you going to threaten me?

"Just one small request: don't make commercial advertisement on our public threads. If you will do it - I will ban you permanently without any talking and discussion. Because i am fully sure that you did it especially against our forum."

What have I done that has been "against your forum"? Name ONE THING? And I don't mean this debate over semantics regarding my indicators. What have I done FOR your forum:

1) posted free indicators that go far beyond what was here previously
2) help users with problems
3) presented a system that people can use to make money
4) brought new readers to your forum
5) shown people how to code MT4

Now, have you thought about that, newdigital?

"One example.
I created RSI links thread. Many members posted many links and indicators. Thread is popular. In the end of the thread you posted the image with indicator. Indicator is not free one: members could not download indicator from our forum and could not from kreslik forum. Indicator is upon donation."

So what is the problem with that? Either the people want the indicator bad enough to send a donation or they don't. NO ONE IS FORCED TO MAKE A DONATION. It is THEIR FREE WILL AND FREE CHOICE. Do you think my indicators don't work?

Newdigital, I know you can ban me. So what, big deal. I have been banned before but that only makes me stronger! But the bottomline is you can't win this debate because the facts are on my side. The people can see just how silly this is.

It's your forum, you have the right to run it anyway you want, whether fairly or unfairly. I respect that. But I do believe I have a right to post my opinion with being constantly threatened.

And you still haven't posted the forum rules so all can see them.
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Notice how NONE of my questions are being answered.
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#14 (permalink) Today, 08:55 PM
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"I don't like when you are collecting money using your public threads which have nothing with you and your commercial indicators."

Does this mean it is PERSONAL?

Or does it mean that you feel the need to intervene between any two consenting parties?
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In case you are wondering, I am sick with the flu and that's why I am not trading and have the time to respond.
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Quote:
"One example.
I created RSI links thread. Many members posted many links and indicators. Thread is popular. In the end of the thread you posted the image with indicator. Indicator is not free one: members could not download indicator from our forum and could not from kreslik forum. Indicator is upon donation."

So what is the problem with that?

The problem is the following:
- your donational indicator was not related to RSI links thread;
- I started this public thread and I don't want you to collect money from popularity of this public thread.
It was just an example. Simple I don't want to mention the other people's names and other threads. And as I said it was 100 more examples with many other members and many other threads. I just named my thread. You posted your donational images especially on very popular threads hoping that popularity of those thread will give you more clients.

I call it commercial advertisements.


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I have been banned before but that only makes me stronger!

You are very complicated person.


Quote:
And you still haven't posted the forum rules so all can see them.

And you still did not reply: why you acted against our forum in so strong way?
It was really necessary? You know that it is pernamently ...

It is so strange case for me when moderator of the other forum (you) spamming our forum with so strong way ... it is really very strange.

Be friendly TheRumpledOne.


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#17 (permalink) Today, 09:00 PM
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I, for one, do not see what all the stink is about, and I surely do not see what rule TRO violated. Which rule did he violate?

Make no bones about it -- I am a TRO supporter. I actually put $s in his account before I even had MT4, just because it seemed like the right thing to do -- because of all the equities trading help he had given me, and all the free stockfetcher filters he has written.


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#18 (permalink) Today, 09:00 PM
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Multi Dynamic Trend

Why isn't that a violation of the rules?

Shows an indicator but no code.

But I posted code with mine:

Tro Dynamic Trend Indicator

Do I get any "credit" for that?
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That's enough talking from my side.
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Multi Dynamic Trend

Why isn't that a violation of the rules?

Shows an indicator but no code.

But I posted code with mine:

Tro Dynamic Trend Indicator

Do I get any "credit" for that?

cja supported our forum a lot.
And you spammed our forum a lot. That is difference.
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Postby TheRumpledOne » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:28 pm

I COULD ONLY RECOVER PAGES 1 AND 2 FROM THE GOOGLE CACHE.

If someone could get pages 3 and 4, I would really appreciate it.
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Postby TheRumpledOne » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:23 am

I mean when you really think about this, how silly/stupid is it to BAN someone from a TRADING forum for posting a chart?

THAT HAS GOT TO TAKE TOP HONORS!
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Postby TheRumpledOne » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:39 pm

Yes, and newdigital simply refuses to post the forum rules.

How can you follow the rules if you don't know what they are?
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Postby codemuncher » Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:10 pm

Sad but true. Ego it is.

Arrogant New Yawkers turn up everywhere. Such is the power of the Internet.

Poor Newdigital...I'll have to let him know what you're upto here.

And garciaFX and NthDegree :shock:

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