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Postby pariah » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:39 pm

"S/D rules and odds enhancers are straight from Seiden, all good stuff but not how Zlines are drawn and one of the reasons so many people have been confused about it for so damn long."


New,

The reason why I went back to using S D on the smallest readable TF is because of exactly how zlines and SD were defined to me. 'Held profit' vs 'awaiting orders'. Whats the difference. There is no difference... they are one in the same.

Price goes from an area, returns to that area, price will then react at this area.

Why do I need momo on a higher tf to help me see where price is going. The m5 charts tells you that already. If you have a momo on h1 it will appear as a rally/drop on the m5. (thus creating s d zones)

**draw proper SD zones on the m5 you will definitely find them as zlines on your h1.
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Postby pinux1976 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:43 pm

hi onontsira can you help me to understand better
i'm a super beginner with a lot of doubt

thanks in advance
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Postby pariah » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:44 pm

Draw your zones. Set SL, Make money.
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Postby newscalper » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:53 pm

pariah wrote:"S/D rules and odds enhancers are straight from Seiden, all good stuff but not how Zlines are drawn and one of the reasons so many people have been confused about it for so damn long."


New,

The reason why I went back to using S D on the smallest readable TF is because of exactly how zlines and SD were defined to me. 'Held profit' vs 'awaiting orders'. Whats the difference. There is no difference... they are one in the same.

Price goes from an area, returns to that area, price will then react at this area.

Why do I need momo on a higher tf to help me see where price is going. The m5 charts tells you that already. If you have a momo on h1 it will appear as a rally/drop on the m5. (thus creating s d zones)

**draw proper SD zones on the m5 you will definitely find them as zlines on your h1.


That's all very true but when you have different people singing slightly different things from slightly different hym sheets, showing them from different time perspective charts so they look almost the same as from the other hymn sheet leads to everyone getting confused as *censored - swear word*.

Doji is using combined candles to draw zlines on the way up, looking for a break down etc to go down

What does Seiden do? Looks for congestion breakouts and return to congestion, using multiple timeframes, similar but not the exactly the same, and the problem with that method is: how far exactly do you look to the left? And you have to be clear about what you do in the event of a retrace or in the event of a break.

Doji has spelled it out using 3 timeframes. Is anything by Seiden or anyone showing Seidens methods as clear and as simple as that?

Mix the two and you end up with what MO keeps warning about i.e. a line in your way and S/R holding when you need to be thinking about S/R breaking.

It is the same concept but it's flipped on its head.

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Re: sos

Postby onontsira » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:58 pm

pinux1976 wrote:hi onontsira can you help me to understand better
i'm a super beginner with a lot of doubt

thanks in advance


Hi pinux,

I'm a beginner as well. Here is what I understand:
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Re: sos

Postby onontsira » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:04 pm

pinux1976 wrote:hi onontsira can you help me to understand better
i'm a super beginner with a lot of doubt

thanks in advance


Once on M5, or M15, you search for the same pattern.

If it breaks, you look for an inverted pattern.

Concerning the pic bottom, same process, but inverted: demand on M30, look for long momentum on a lower TF. You can see that my lower M5 zl is broken up by momentum: go long!

Hope you understand. And hope I'm correct :oops:

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Postby pinux1976 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:07 pm

Hi and tanks i think 2 neuron from 2 beginner is more simple to comunicate easy hihihi

mi doubt on the image for all who want to help
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Postby onontsira » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:19 pm

pinux1976 wrote:Hi and tanks i think 2 neuron from 2 beginner is more simple to comunicate easy hihihi

mi doubt on the image for all who want to help


these are only M5 zl to see "where you are". On my way down, I draw these lines to see if the trend is still ok (it's not ok if a line is broken by up MOMO!!!)
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Postby onontsira » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:20 pm

here is for the long trade:
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Postby pinux1976 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:27 pm

thanks onosira i'll study now

and because today i'm at home i have other doubt hehehe

thanks to all for our patience
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